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| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6587 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes  1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish | Message 65 of 79 10 June 2008 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
See? Why would a man suggest that a Homophobe Polyglote thread need to honor members? :) One doesn't need to be Freud to read between the lines and resolve this apparent contradiction of yours there, Cage :)
That is mighty big of you, Cage. Too bad you weren't open minded enough not to offend at least one of the posters. Edited by Russianbear on 10 June 2008 at 5:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6561 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 66 of 79 10 June 2008 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Cage, I am pleased that you enjoyed the extensive response I wrote. The truth is I really like to write down my own views on paper becuae this is a way that one can reflect on their opinions and develop theirown views pertaining to certain issues. For someone to say that they can relate to my views or congratulate my posts is a moment of pride for myself. I will say just for the record, I don't write to offend people, I write down my own views as I believe that it is good to address certain important issues on the internet as I did with my previous post. I believe it is my responsibility as an adult to use the internet for discussing various issues. "Cage and Maximus From the forum rules: 'FLAMES & PERSONAL ATTACKS Do not post deliberately inflammatory, argumentative or aggressive messages. If you disagree with a person, you can argue with his ideas in an argumentative and respectful manner. Don't attack the person, his personality or what he is, even in an indirect way.'" Personal attacks and flames? In my extended post I haven't personally attacked anyone. I have simply spoken about my personal experiences. "Maximus - Just what have your 'observations' on how you find feminine men offensive" I didn't state that I find feminine men offensive in my post. You are just bending my words and molding them to suit yourself. But of course you will do that, because you can, because now days if anyone even disputes any issue on homosexuality, one will immediately be labelled an homophobe. That is the "safety card" which is always used. I mentioned that I believe that I believe that many of those guys exaggerate their behaviour and just immitate the stereotypes of the media or of the gay culture and also I expressed that they only serve to alienate themselves. Also, by expressing that when people don't act in accordance to the gender role, (for example the extremely manly transsexual who kind of startled me a liitle because the situation was novel), by expressing this doesn't mean I express hatred. I thought I made this clear in my post. That just a little fear of the unknown is normal to some extent and not necessarily hatred. This is so with Hanako, the feminine transsexual who doesn't freek me out at all becuase she just acts and seems like a regular lady. But of course people will trist my words again claiming that I have insulted certain groups, yet I have already drawn a distinction between hatred and a slight fear in novel situations. "I have already pointed out that I find the contents of your posts offensive and yet they have continued." Again, I have not insulted in my previous post. I simple expressed my experiences and feelings of the position of some homosexuals in society. My standpoint wasn't an insulting one at all. I don't believe that I directed insults at anyone. "Sounds like some people are bitter just because a few gay people know more languages than them. What a hit for their manly selves! :)" Again these are just not true. This is based on the premise that one is hates homosexuals and therefore would be jeleous of any homosexual who is better at a certain skill. This viewpoint falls to the ground because as I expressed previously, me extensive post wasn't an attack on homosexuals. Just an expression of my experiences and feelings on the situation. "Cage and Maximus should stop the charade and ask each other out on a date." Again this is another example. People use the excuse all the time. "oh, you only dispute with us because you are a secret closet homosexual! You must have an hidden sexuality and sexual insecurities!" Oh this one again. So whenever anyone disagrees with the unfounded and illogical claims like cooking, gender, one's sexual preferences and languages, people either use the immature "insecurities" defense or they pull out the "homophobia card". And since extremist homosexuals and sympathizers will say anything to attribute any success to their homosexuality, they use studies from some psuedo-science of psychology! And of course, within the social sciences, if one doesn't uphold and ally themselves blindly and unquestionably with the ultra-liberal standpoints and if anyone criticizes any of these viewpoints, they are just subjected to intense criticism, which in reality is less like criticism in an academic sense of the term, but more like childish quarrels when people who even debate against the unfounded claims are labelled as "homophobes", ect... Just for the record, my extensive post wasn't even anti-homosexual. So don't twist my words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6587 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish | Message 67 of 79 10 June 2008 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What exactly was said in this thread that attributed someone's success to someone's homosexuality? Provide the exact quotes, please. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5846 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 68 of 79 10 June 2008 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Nobody is discussing the real issue people are just bragging and making fun of each other. This has noting to do with the real topic any more.
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| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6561 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 69 of 79 10 June 2008 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Mr. Bear,
You doubt that this thread is trying to attribute one's success to homosexuality? Why on earth else would someone open a thread titled "Gay and Polyglot"? By isolating one group and making a thread about them and links to linguistic ability in itself is again jumping on this band wagon of expressing homosexual supremacy. Not to mention that there are also many polyglots who just don't happen to be homosexuals. I believe that it is just wishful thinking. Just like Cage intelligently put it, "All else are the fantasies of that particular group". The aforementioned supremacists think of some idea, they want it to be true, and then because of their ultra-strong pride for their sexuality, they try to potray the skill as a direct result of homosexuality. This idea of gay pride has just gone too far! The way that people place so much emphasis on sexuality! I don't see why one has to be so proud of their sexuality anyway. It is not like it is an achievement or a trophy, it is just there. Again, this obsession with Gay Pride is another form of self-alienation. Even Amparo, my ulta-liberal homosexual-sympathizer hostmother with whom I lived in Spain, (even she) expressed that people, whoever they are, should seek to integrate well like other people as opposed to isoloting themselves within the all-gay communities. As for exact phrases, the opening post's author gives examples of several homosexuals. Why else would one do this? It is trying to link a direct consequence with one's sexuality. And in my post about the attribution of success and homosupremacists, I wasn't in particularly refering to this thread, more of people certain groups of people and certain attitudes in society. Also, to the others, could someone tell me in what way my post pertaining to my experiences and feelings on the issue is offensive? I never wrote with the intention of writing in insultive content. Is it truly offensive? Or are people just attacking it because they do this to everyone who doesn't agree with their ideals? Edited by Maximus on 10 June 2008 at 6:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6561 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 70 of 79 10 June 2008 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Making fun? I have said that I didn't write my post with the intention to insult. Similarly, I don't see how I for one have made fun of anyone. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5846 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 71 of 79 10 June 2008 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Duh... Ok, you are not making fun. Nonetheless, I also intend to abandon this thread, full of lengthy verbal exchanges that overflow with brotherly love and mutual understanding.
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Actually I completely agree with this, but for god's sake, the wikipedia article is about brain chemistry not gay pride. Edited by Sennin on 10 June 2008 at 6:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6587 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish | Message 72 of 79 11 June 2008 at 9:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The obsession with Gay Pride exists only in your own head. Has anyone other than you even mentioned it here? You have misread other people statements and starting thinking they were about Gay Pride and then you got all riled up about the supposed Gay Pride infiltrating the discussion.
Again, you are the one who introduced the notion of "homosupremacy" into the discussion when noone else did. Yes, the opening post's author gives examples of several homosexuals. People (including you, I think) have given examples of straight polyglots. Why would one do this? According to your own logic it would be to assert heterosexual supremacy and to try to link direct consequence with one's sexuality. This "logic" is utter nonsense. Citing examples of gay polyglots is an innocent thing that absolutely has nothing to do with gay supremacy or trying to attribute one success to one's sexual orientation. It is what it is: mere examples of gay polyglots and nothing more. So, whenever you say you see talk of "homosupremacy" where there clearly isn't one, it tells us more about you than it does about this discussion. Only a person who is spectacularly ignorant of logic would claim that mere examples of gay polyglots are somehow equivalent to a statement that gays are superior. And you need to make up your mind on "the attribution of success and homosupremacists". Do you see it/them in this thread or not? You seemed to state you clearly did - and you still pretend you did in this latest post of yours. And yet now you say you weren't "in particularly refering to this thread". Well, whatever your beef with gay community is, it is hardly logical and it makes little sense to pretend people in this thread are responsible for what you perceive to be talk of homosexual supremacy outside of this thread. Edited by Russianbear on 11 June 2008 at 9:26am 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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