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| charlmartell Super Polyglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6037 days ago 286 posts - 298 votes  Speaks: French, English, German, Luxembourgish*, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Dutch, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 17 of 67 30 June 2008 at 4:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I do exactly the same thing, visualising while listening and saying (sort of blind shadowing, without reading). I do all my listening on MP3 player and walkman (with MP3 player earplugs). I use the printed text, with listening, to sort out pronunciation and elucidate not properly heard material and, without listening, for visualising and adapting or applying to my reality. It took me a while to learn, but now I always think in pictures and situations, and hardly ever need to get to the meaning via the English translation. Except pesky little words like still, not yet, already, no longer in most foreign languages. They constantly trip me up. The number of times I've got to tell myself: this sounds like "I'm no longer a child" and not like "I'm not yet a child", etc. to finally get it right automatically. Edited by charlmartell on 30 June 2008 at 5:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6265 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 18 of 67 30 June 2008 at 4:55am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's not shadowing, though... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6232 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 19 of 67 30 June 2008 at 6:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Indeed, what's shown is not shadowing. If I recall correctly, she practiced the text via shadowing first though. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding where I found that information in the first place. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| edwin Triglot Senior Member Canada towerofconfusi&Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6257 days ago 160 posts - 183 votes 9 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French, Spanish, Portuguese | Message 20 of 67 30 June 2008 at 8:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The 'teacher' of this student posted in another forum and described the method. He basically played the recording from a native speaker and asked the student to repeat the sentences. He did not indicate how long the student had been trained though. From my experience, I feel that shadowing is beneficial only when you have some familiarity of the language, in particular its phonetics. Doing it too early might end up like that Japanese girl. The bad thing is that you get used to the incorrect pronunciation without knowing it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6265 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 22 of 67 30 June 2008 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's not shadowing either... for it to be shadowing, you have to be listening and speaking at the same time and carefully listening for differences. So I don't think the Japanese girl's results could be representative of shadowing if she wasn't even shadowing. Moreover, I wouldn't expect shadowing over a short period to automatically fix your accent. It's quite possible that she would sound much better while shadowing and become incomprehensible again afterwards. In that case, it'd still be working, and she'd just need to do it more. - Kef 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ixtok Newbie Australia Joined 6090 days ago 29 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English* | Message 23 of 67 01 July 2008 at 1:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is exactly what I believe shadowing is. There have been many previous threads regarding this and I think that many of the respondents to this survey are voting for shadowing or commenting on it when they are not using the proper definition. The key is speaking at the same time as the audio. Not listen and repeat. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5944 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 24 of 67 01 July 2008 at 4:01am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't shadow regularly, but when I do it's at the exact same time as the audio, and not a second or half second behind. The effect is similar to singing in chorus, and if you're off, you can hear the disharmony. However, I've read that shadowing is meant to be done slightly after the audio, so maybe I'm doing it wrong.
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