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| brozman Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5852 days ago 87 posts - 106 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan*, English, Japanese Studies: Russian, Indonesian | Message 9 of 24 16 September 2008 at 5:37am | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you very much, wakarima-huji, for your information and the books you recommended. Since I started being interested in languages, the Polynesian languages have definetely been my favorite ones. I love their clear sounds, their simple but still logical structures, and of course the culture to them, the songs, etc. I even learnt a little bit of Tahitian just for fun last year when I was on holidays, but unfortunately the resources I had were not comprehensive enough to fulfil my thirst for knowledge. And as Tahitian language and culture have been really overwhelmed by French language and culture, I thought it was not really worth it to try to get into a deeper knowledge of the language. So I just decided to wait for some time.
And now that you've open this thread I've become interested again in these languages, so I think I'll buy "He whakamarama" and give these languages another chance. Maori is a great language connected to a great culture and a very beautiful land, New Zealand (or Aotearoa!).
Wow, if she finally learns Maori, how many languages will she be able to speak in the end? Catalan, Spanish, English, French and Maori? Can I be your son too? :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| wakarima-huji Triglot Newbie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5711 days ago 14 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English*, German, Maori Studies: French, Japanese | Message 10 of 24 17 September 2008 at 3:19am | IP Logged | ||
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My understanign is that te is a very emphatic THE meaning more like "the one and only" and te is the definite article, but if I don;t have "the cats" but "cats" how to I denote plural there?[/QUOTE]
Yes you're right with that. How strong the "the" is depends on your intonation and where you put the emphasis. Unfortunately in Maori you can't just say, "cats". It has to be preceded by "he", but "he" is merely a grammatical addition, which doesn't change the meaning. So saying "He ngeru" would be simply saying "cats". If you want to be more specific, you can use a t-class word in front of the noun. These are what they say, words beginning with "t" such as Tena (this) tetahi (some), and the list goes on. All these words, apart from "te" which becomes "nga", drop their "t" to form the plural. For example "he ngeru" could become "etahi ngeru" (some cats) I hope this is of some help and tell me if I'm being confusing or something needs clarifying. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| wakarima-huji Triglot Newbie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5711 days ago 14 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English*, German, Maori Studies: French, Japanese | Message 11 of 24 17 September 2008 at 3:27am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for your lovely comment, brozman. Yes, the Polynesian languages are lovely in their simplicity- it allows a deeper meaning to come across- and one day I hope to be able to learn more of them. Ahhh there's so many languages in the world.
I've decided to start giving little vocabularies. So here's the first one. Kia ora (keya ora)- hello or thankyou Ma te wa (maa teh waa)- good bye Haere ra (hyreh ra)- goodbye koe( queh)- you singular korua (koarua)- you dual koutou (kowtow)- you plural ahau (ahow)- I ia(eea)- he/she/it Remember, all "r"s in Maori are rolled, and "ou" or "au" makes the sound as in "bow" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5807 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 12 of 24 17 September 2008 at 7:22am | IP Logged | ||
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"Cats like milk."
Which cats? "All cats." "All cats" is pretty definite, so it makes sense that it should take a definite article, no? (Even though it makes sense the other way round, too.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| wakarima-huji Triglot Newbie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5711 days ago 14 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English*, German, Maori Studies: French, Japanese | Message 13 of 24 17 September 2008 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm not quite sure what you're asking but hopefully I can figure it out.
Yes, "all cats" is definite in Maori, meaning it takes the definite article and "all" isn't an article at all. It's an adjective there. So: He pai te miraka ki nga ngeru (cats like milk) ki ehea ngeru? ki nga ngeru katoa (katoa= all) p.s there is no verb for "like" in Maori. You have to use the structure, "something is good to something". Therefore "the milk is good to the cats" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| wakarima-huji Triglot Newbie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5711 days ago 14 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English*, German, Maori Studies: French, Japanese | Message 14 of 24 18 September 2008 at 2:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Does anyone actually want this vocab? Oh well I'll do some for today anyway...
Ko wai tou ingoa?= what's your name? (is who your name?) Ko Katie-Jayne toku ingoa= my name is Katie-Jayne (is Katie-Jayne my name) No Rotorua au= I'm from Rotorua (From Rotorua I) No hea koe?= where are you from? (from where you? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ' Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5736 days ago 120 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English*, Hungarian* | Message 15 of 24 18 September 2008 at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||
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Could you do a word-for-word on the cats dialogue?
Also, is there any inflection in máori? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| PiotrKozlowski Newbie Poland Joined 5707 days ago 11 posts - 11 votes Speaks: Polish* | Message 16 of 24 18 September 2008 at 3:28am | IP Logged | ||
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Nice work, wakarima-huji! Some questions/suggestions:
1. What's the difference (if any) between "ahau" and "au"? You've glossed them both as "I" 2. Could you give us an outline of the verbal particles? 3. Could you also mark long vowels somehow? I realize proper macrons are hard to type, but doubling of the letter (as in: teenaa koorua) or using some other easier-to-get diacritic would work fine. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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