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| icing_death Senior Member United States Joined 5861 days ago 296 posts - 302 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 82 of 164 28 March 2009 at 6:49am | IP Logged | ||
I do like your sense of humor. I read your big thread and a few others, but didn't see answers to my questions. Care to give a link? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| glossa.passion Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6321 days ago 267 posts - 349 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, EnglishC1, Danish Studies: Spanish, Dutch | Message 83 of 164 28 March 2009 at 11:12am | IP Logged | ||
For me that is a weak point. I put emphasis on good/correct pronounciation and there are some sounds in foreign languages which I’m not able to pronounce properly only by listening before – even massive listening. In Danish there’s the so called “soft d” where you have to put your tongue behind your lower front teeth. I wasn’t able to find that out only by listening! Maybe others can do it, but for me it’s not sufficient only to listen in order to get proper pronounciation. I would really be interested in the experiences of others. If you speak after the listening part, are you sure, that your pronounciation is correct? Can you reproduce "unknown" sounds after listening only? Edited by glossa.passion on 28 March 2009 at 11:25am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 84 of 164 28 March 2009 at 11:34am | IP Logged | ||
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For the record, I try to avoid threads like this one. The reason I got involved this time is because it started in a thread giving specific advice to a specific individual, and I felt that advice was damaging.
If that person had asked "how do I do L-R", I would have kept my nose out, but he didn't. He asked how to teach his parents English.
But again, as I've said all along, the only fact you can demonstrate is that a number of people who do L-R have learnt a language. You have not been able to give any facts as to whether they have done so efficiently or not, or any facts as to what they actually did. The argument we had about switching, for example. I've been told several times it's irrelevant because of the people who have succeeded with the technique, but I have composed what I believe is a sound and logical argument for why we cannot simply take the successful cases as proof of efficacy of the technique. And yet you constantly dismiss my arguments as assumptions, invalid science and the like. The simple fact is that there is one overriding assumption that the majority of L-R fans here adhere to "it works for me = it works". This is a problem with all major methods, techniques and schools: "I am proof it works, everything else is irrelevant." I'll go now, unless anyone chooses to further argue those points. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kubelek Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland chomikuj.pl/Kuba_wal Joined 6852 days ago 415 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC2, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 85 of 164 28 March 2009 at 11:39am | IP Logged | ||
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I wonder at what point listening to minimal pairs of sounds would be the most effective?
Thanks for the replies to my last questions. Bummer, I don't really have time to read novels this year. I will have to put LR plans on hold then, until I'll have read and prepared the texts with audiobooks. If the difference it makes is so great though, it might be worth it. Btw I'm preparing a text right now for a Polish friend learning English, where is a good place to share it? Are there any special threads for that? It's sad to see that so many people have tried the method, but so few texts are shared. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6678 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 86 of 164 28 March 2009 at 11:45am | IP Logged | ||
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How will you know if something works or not unless people try it out? If five people have done LR in the intensive way and claim they got good results from that, then that's a good enough incentive for me to try it out for myself and see whether I will join those five and claim the same thing. I don't need a scientific survey done in some fancy university.
And now I have a question for those who LR a lot. When do you repeat? Do you listen to the whole book once, and then go back and repeat, or do perhaps 4 chapters, then repeat, then 4 new chapters, etc...? I'm currently listening to L2 and reading in L2 after having read in L1 without audio (chapter by chapter), and from reading what ata-etc. wrote, I understood that it's a good idea to then listen to L2 and read L1. How do you others switch between the texts and how many times do you listen to the same thing? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 88 of 164 28 March 2009 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | ||
All of my serious experiments have been with parallel texts; with them, I do the whole book repeatedly, rather than individual chapters (although after 2-3 listenings, I sometimes start repeating chapters or skipping chapters I grow to really dislike). In general, I find atamagaii's principle of "go for joy" to work best - do what you feel like doing. Your inner sense of fun is better than any rigid advice on this particular question, in my opinion. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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