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sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5557 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch
| Message 1 of 20 09 July 2009 at 4:32am | IP Logged |
Here is the link to a video of me reading a paragraph from Colloquial Dutch by Bruce Donaldson (it has small reading passages). I would like specific criticism on how "native" I sound, and how I pronounce my Rs, my UIs, and my EUs (which I have pronounced like the German eu so far so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TwsY_wXJjk
There will be many more videos, with some more interesting reading material.
Edit: If I sound a bit "English", it is because I am learning Dutch from an English base.
Edited by sprachefin on 09 July 2009 at 4:52am
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5658 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 2 of 20 09 July 2009 at 6:01am | IP Logged |
sprachefin wrote:
Here is the link to a video of me reading a paragraph from Colloquial Dutch by Bruce Donaldson (it has small reading passages). I would like specific criticism on how "native" I sound, and how I pronounce my Rs, my UIs, and my EUs (which I have pronounced like the German eu so far so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TwsY_wXJjk
There will be many more videos, with some more interesting reading material.
Edit: If I sound a bit "English", it is because I am learning Dutch from an English base. |
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Sprachefin, I want give you a qualified comment on your pronountiation.
It's a pity that you read the Dutch text so fast, because that makes it difficult to analyse your vowels in detail. Clear is that your "ui" diphtong is not correctly spoken. For Germans this is the most difficult Dutch sound to pronounce, also for me many years ago, when I myself learned Dutch.
But I know a good self-invented trick for you:
Speak the diphtong "ÖÜ", then you get exactly the "ui" sound.
When reading Dutch you have quite a strong accent, but it's neither a German nor an English accent. I can't decipher, which accent it is.
Another diphtong: "oe" in the word "goed" has the German "u" sound.
It's good that you ask for feedback at an early stage of your learning, because I assume that with your Dutch pronouciation on this level Dutch people won't understand you.
Dus "daar is werk aan de winkel voor jou" zoals men in Nederland zegt. So you have have to work on it still a lot. Listen carefully to Dutch native audios and repeat what the native speakers say.
Succes ermee!!
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 09 July 2009 at 9:46pm
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| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5557 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch
| Message 3 of 20 10 July 2009 at 12:20am | IP Logged |
This is embarrassing. I do have a weird accent whenever I speak any language I guess. Someone told me my Spanish sounds like I have a French accent????? Well anyways, thanks for the tip. I don't have the audio CDs for the Colloquial Series, but I do listen to a lot of native material. Perhaps I should work on my accent a bit more instead of wasting time thumbing through my grammar book :) (yes I am a grammar nerd). I will post more videos after I feel I have made a stronger effort.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5933 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 4 of 20 10 July 2009 at 12:25am | IP Logged |
Another specific tip in addition to what Fasulye said above, when words end in “en” in Dutch, the “n” is silent.
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| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5557 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch
| Message 5 of 20 10 July 2009 at 12:27am | IP Logged |
Ok. Thanks for that as well. I saw a thread about that somewhere and I couldn't seem to remember. Perhaps I should obtain the audio CDs to improve my pronunciation. Dutch is not easy when it comes to that.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5933 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 6 of 20 10 July 2009 at 12:42am | IP Logged |
sprachefin wrote:
Ok. Thanks for that as well. I saw a thread about that somewhere and I couldn't seem to remember. Perhaps I should obtain the audio CDs to improve my pronunciation. Dutch is not easy when it comes to that. |
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Yes, definitely. The rhythm and pronunciation of Dutch require a bit of practice.
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| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5557 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch
| Message 7 of 20 10 July 2009 at 12:54am | IP Logged |
My first impression was that Dutch would be pretty easy due to my native language. I am learning the hard way that there are aspects that are not as easy. Orthography is very confusing.
Edited by sprachefin on 10 July 2009 at 1:03am
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5933 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 8 of 20 10 July 2009 at 1:05am | IP Logged |
sprachefin wrote:
My first impression was that Dutch would be pretty easy due to my native language. I am learning the hard way that there are aspects that are not as easy. Orthography is very confusing. |
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Yes, I got the impression that you were underestimating Dutch a bit. It is the middle language between English and German so speaking both fluently gives you a huge advantage but there is still a lot that is uniquely Dutch, i.e., not similar to either German or English.
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