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| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4673 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 9 of 12 05 January 2013 at 8:55pm | IP Logged |
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@ sans-serif: I know what you mean, these are little things I seem to find nowhere and
it's a shame that they are not introduced in learner's materials (the ones I have used at least). I find the usual "it's similar to German/French ü/u" explanation to be quite misleading. I also find the long 'i' and 'y' to have another property that seems not to be addressed in learning materials. To my ears, there is a particular buzzing effect going on that is difficult to imitate. Somewhere I read about a 'Viby-i' or 'Lidingö-i', but some Swedes claim this is a different phenomenon only present in those zones. However, the buzzing effect I'm speaking of is present in beginner's materials (in words such as 'Maria', or 'by'), so I don't think it could be a dialectal feature. It's not present in Finland Swedish either. Any ideas? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6720 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 12 06 January 2013 at 12:50am | IP Logged |
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Which material are you using? Although the buzzing long 'i' is somewhat geographically marked, it isn't unusual to hear girls from Stockhom use it. Hmm, haven't I written this before? Yes:
Use of "Viby-i/Lidingö-i" in Swedish I wonder if it's our version of Valleyspeak. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4370 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 11 of 12 06 January 2013 at 2:01am | IP Logged |
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I'd definitely say there's at least some buzzing/friction present in most Swedes' long I and Y sounds. The Viby/Lidingö-i, the way I understand the term, is just a more extreme case of the same phenomenon. If you don't feel any friction on your alveolar ridge when you make these sounds, chances are your tongue position isn't correct. In fact, it's probably easiest to start with an exaggerated buzz and then tone it down—that's what I did.
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| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6470 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 12 of 12 06 January 2013 at 10:12pm | IP Logged |
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I find that Swedish soft vowels are so "harsh" they all almost end in a consonantal sound, thus i, y and u are rather
pronounced like ij, yj and uv, ergo with an ever so slight buzz. The extreme cases like the Lidingö-i isn't even a vowel but some kind of weird syllabic sibillant :P 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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