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| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5388 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 33 of 70 20 October 2009 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
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First, a problem: I can't figure out how to copy and paste into Anki...I'm hoping I'm just a moron and there is a
way to do this. So, as I said previously, I benefitted a lot by following certain aspects of the AJATT method. Now I've decided to also try the sentence mining and SRS. Essentially, it is searching native materials for sentences and memorizing them through SRS. AJATT suggests 10,000 sentences, but Hebrew is significantly less complex so I doubt I'll need that many. Also, If I sit down and analyze the newspaper sentence by sentence, I can usually understand some of what I'm reading. I think I was just shocked the other day when I began trying to read ynet. I was overwhelmed by the amount of the words on the page. Yesterday I was out with friends and unable to listen to the Hebrew music or podcasts. I was feeling anxious and uncomfortable and wanted to get home as soon as possible because I missed the Hebrew language. Am I turning into Eliezer ben Yehuda? A sociopath? I think my brain has become used to hearing the language all of the time and likes it. Now if I can only get my brain to stop liking ice cream I would be totally set :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lemanensis Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland hebrew.ecott.ch Joined 5743 days ago 73 posts - 77 votes Speaks: French*, English*, German, Spanish, Swedish Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 34 of 70 21 October 2009 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hi, Have you had a look at Yanshuf newspaper? It's made for beginners, some articles are pointed (with vowels) others not, it has a glossary of words for each article (though not all of them) and you can get a CD with the articles read out loud by native speakers. I think it's very good and useful. And have a look at the resources on www.hebrew.ecott.ch Regards, Lemanensis 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5388 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 35 of 70 22 October 2009 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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lemanensis-Thanks for the suggestions, especially the website with the links. I checked out yanshuf, and the
cheapest subscription I could find was $75.95..אני קמצנית so that didn't work out. So an update, My listening skills are still improving at a rapid pace. I really need to work on my reading. One of my housemates, an Israeli guy, has just returned from Israel. We are very good friends, so he doesn't mind if I abuse him with Hebrew practice. He's agreed to speak only Hebrew with me, and I'll answer in English if I have to. Unfortunately, he keeps forgetting and going back to English. I respond, מה קרה לך? אני לא מבינה אנגלית. Poor unfortunate fellow. He came home and was surprised with all of the Hebrew items around the house. "Who's been staying here? What's with all the Hebrew newspapers, books, and movies?" I explained that I've created an immersion environment and that we now are living in Israel. He says I have too much free time on my hands. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lemanensis Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland hebrew.ecott.ch Joined 5743 days ago 73 posts - 77 votes Speaks: French*, English*, German, Spanish, Swedish Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 36 of 70 22 October 2009 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Perceptions are very different, I guess. I pay $154 for a year, and get the newspaper + CD every two weeks (except for the summer break). So I reckon that is cheaper, and more effective, than buying an Israeli newspaper - which cost a lot overseas - and having to struggle with the lack of vowels and having to look up all the words myself instead of having a glossary. Time is very much money to me... and time generally wins out in the toss-up. I did think of sharing a subscription but I don't know anyone else who's learning Hebrew around here. You're very lucky to have people to practice with. I had an Israeli colleague, but he wouldn't even speak to me, even less in Hebrew! So I resort to speaking to myself and also naming objects around me, though they don't change very much. To get around that problem I was going to enrol in an ulpan at the local Israeli/Jewish cultural centre. But that would be about $800 for classes once a week over 9 months! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5388 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 37 of 70 23 October 2009 at 3:04am | IP Logged | |||||
You are right; the newspaper seems like a very useful tool. For whatever reason, Hebrew papers are pretty cheap here, so I'm a little spoiled in that respect. I'm also a bit short of money right now so that factors in. בחצלחה and maybe we can speak Hebrew together someday! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5388 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 38 of 70 26 October 2009 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have a problem. I know I should be doing more "SRSing" but it friggin bugs me and it takes forever to input
sentences and phrases. If I could figure out a way to copy and paste sentences this would make my life much easier. After that I need to find a source of interesting sentences, which I can manage, but is still annoying. The SRS session itself is not so bad once you get used to it but is not fun. The reason why I want to continue to use SRS is because it dramatically improves my reading and speaking abilities, two areas that I need help with. Otherwise, the studying is going strong and is loads of fun. I listen to podcasts and watch only Israeli movies. My flatmate is on the phone all of the time and I get to eavesdrop. We've been invited to Shabbas dinner by an Israeli family, which means I get to practice my skills and potentially meet new people. Flatmate has gotten with the program and now speaks almost exclusively Hebrew with me. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lemanensis Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland hebrew.ecott.ch Joined 5743 days ago 73 posts - 77 votes Speaks: French*, English*, German, Spanish, Swedish Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 39 of 70 26 October 2009 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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okay, I haven't worked with ANKI (but have used BYKI!), but have sometimes encountered problems about not being able to copy and paste text into other applications. Have you tried going via an intermediary application - such as a .txt file (I don't know what it's called in English. It's called a bloc-notes on my computer so perhaps it's a notepad?). If you have the Hebrew keyboard installed then that might work. Then you copy and paste into ANKI. Or else - use the virtual keyboard. I've been able to copy and paste from that handy site very easiliy.
I agree that inputting words takes a long timeand is frustrating. I haven't found a good way of going it with BYKI except very slowly. However, I do notice that the input process itself is a useful part of the learning... if that's any consolation. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5388 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 40 of 70 02 November 2009 at 4:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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Lemanesis: You are right, the input process does improve learning.
I'd really like to finish this 1000 word pack of Modern Hebrew vocabulary cards that promises to teach you 5000 words. It appears that I'm over 3/4 finished, but I'm too lazy to count the cards and I didn't keep them in order so the numbering is useless. I've decided to take desperate measures: no ice cream until I finish the set of cards. When I finish, I'll allow myself to study a bit of Russian or French for a couple of hours and eat chocolate ice cream. Ah, bribery. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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