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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5668 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 15 19 March 2010 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
Just to make the rule complete: After diphtongs such as "au", "ei", "eu", "ai", "ie" and "äu" there is never "ss", but only "s" or "ß". Examples: - draußen, der Strauß - aus, zu Hause, sausen - heißen, reißen, der Fleiß - das Eis, reisen, die Meise - ließen, der Spieß, stießen - die Wiese, dies, der Kies When in these cases the "ß" is used you hear a sharp (unvoiced) sound, when the "s" is used, you hear a soft (voiced) sound. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 19 March 2010 at 4:32pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5556 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 10 of 15 19 March 2010 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks for completing the rule, Fasulye! :) I have a question though, since you wrote about the sounds of s/ß: I find that I pronounce the 's' in e.g. "aus" and "Eis" as if it were an ß. In fact, the "Eis" as I say it sounds exactly like the latter part of "Heiss", and not at all like the middle-'s' in "Eisen", or "Wiese". What gives? Is that related to that s/ss/ß business in any way? Man, German spelling sucks ^^ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6730 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 15 19 March 2010 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Maybe the s is voiced only when it isn't followed by a vowel, while the ß is sharp ("scharfes S", right?) in all positions. (In English, the -s tends to be voiced between vowels (and the -r rhotic)).
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| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5668 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 15 19 March 2010 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
Please have a look alltogether, I have added some more examples for the s-Laute in combination with diphtongs. Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5556 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 13 of 15 19 March 2010 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Pronounciation-wise, with resort to improper writing, where it's different that what one would expect:
- auß, zu Hause, sausen - das Eiß, reisen, die Meise - die Wiese, dieß [aber 'diese'], der Kieß [aber 'Kieselsteine'] Very confusing. I'm glad I don't have to learn that crap again ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5668 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 15 19 March 2010 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, you can be glad to be an adult and not a school child in Germany any more, who has to write dictations by using such rules. Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5556 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 15 of 15 20 March 2010 at 12:09am | IP Logged | |||||
I don't think that's so much of a problem. I knew how to say the words, and then I learned how to write them, and I never even registered the discrepancy until this thread :) I think most native speaker children will do that similarly. Adult learners who don't know how to say these things in the first place will have problems though.. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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