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 magister Pro Member United States Joined 6393 days ago 346 posts - 421 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Turkish, Irish Personal Language Map | Message 41 of 91 06 December 2010 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Sierra Diglot Senior Member Turkey livinginlights.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 296 posts - 411 votes Speaks: English*, SwedishB1 Studies: Turkish | Message 42 of 91 06 December 2010 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ben İngilizçe oğretmenim- gezmeyi seven kişiler için çok iyi bir iştir! Ama sonuçta
teklifi almamaya karar verdim. Onun yerinde, Noelde ailemi ziyaret edip, abim oturduğun şehre taşınmaya için Amerika'ya gideceğim. Kazakistan bekleyebilir! (Corrections more than welcome... I need to start putting some serious effort into my written Turkish). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 4891 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 43 of 91 07 December 2010 at 3:21am | IP Logged | ||
Hello there, I just wanted to have a go for this one. A native speaker here. If you will, I also added some notes on the grammar aspects of the words I've corrected. Overall a very good progression since April (as far as I've just seen through this thread) and reached an almost perfect syntactical comprehension in Turkish. Well done! So here it goes: * Ben İngilizce öğretmeni + y + im (y: buffer consonant -im: personal ending) As both 'İngilizce' and 'öğretmen' are nouns you need to put the -i ending after öğretmen as they form a compound word (I'm pretty sure you know this already) * gezmeyi seven kişiler için çok iyi bir iştir... Correct! But to sound more native I would rather rephrase it and say... 'Bu gezmeyi (or seyahat etmeyi) seven insanlar için çok güzel bir iş' * Ama sonuçta teklifi almamaya karar verdim. Grammatically Correct! Though you should rather use "teklifi kabul etmemeye karar verdim", I assume you were translating directly from English as I decided not to "take" the offer. In Turkish you would only "accept" or "not accept" an offer :) * Onun yerinde, Noelde ailemi ziyaret edip, abim oturduğun şehre taşınmaya için Amerika'ya gideceğim. Onun yerine, Noel'de ailemi ziyaret edip abimin oturduğu şehre taşınmak için Amerika'ya gideceğim. * Onun yerine: (Literally meaning "to its place") it's not the locative ending "de" you should be using here because you're putting something new instead of an older one onto that place so there's a movement to this location that's why the -e ending. * no comma after -ip ending * I guess the genitive marker switched places when you were typing as it should read abimin oturduğu şehir (the city that my brother lives - lit "my brother's lived city") * oturmak için: As a rule you have to use "için" with the infinitive. Otherwise you could also omit için and the sentence would sound perfectly right. abimin oturduğu şehre taşınmaya Amerika'ya gideceğim. * Kazakistan bekleyebilir... Correct Well done! Very impressive within 8 months! :) 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sierra Diglot Senior Member Turkey livinginlights.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 296 posts - 411 votes Speaks: English*, SwedishB1 Studies: Turkish | Message 44 of 91 07 December 2010 at 7:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Wow, thanks for the comprehensive corrections, Hakan!
It hadn't occurred to me that "English teacher" would be treated as a compound noun... good to know, especially since I say it all the time. I also didn't realize that in Turkish, one always "accepts" an offer rather than "takes" it. You're right, that was definitely a case of me translating directly from English. I think I'll remember that now. I also found the notes about "için" always being used with the infinitive and "yerine" rather than "yerinde" particularly helpful. I think the genitive-switching was mainly a result of me being in too much of a hurry with a grammatical construct I'm still not totally comfortable with. I'm just going to have to bang out as many "-dik" participles as possible to make this eventually come naturally. In any case, your corrections were so helpful that I think I'm finally going to start adding some short Turkish bits to this journal in hopes that you or another member can lend a hand now and then and tell me what I've done wrong :) Today's: forthcoming. ---- In other news, I've officially met my vocab goal with 13 days remaining. By December 20th, I promised myself I'd have 750 level 5 words on Mnemosyne (I have 890 currently), and that I would have 1,000 total words in the system (I have 1,027 after adding a fresh batch this morning). Booya. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 4891 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 45 of 91 07 December 2010 at 10:56am | IP Logged | ||
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I think if I explain two points that will be of help to you and hopefully others also.
*To clarify the "İngilizce öğretmeni" a bit more I'll turn to Routledge's Comprehensive grammar... I guess the confusion comes from this: When one forms bare compounds (consisting of two nouns juxtaposed together without any ending) you don't use the -(s)i ending when (according to the book on chapter 10) "Compounds in which the first noun specifies the nationality of the person denoted by the second noun"... As in your case if you had said: Ben İngiliz öğretmenim that would be correct. (meaning I'm the English (as nationality) teacher. other examples would be. Türk doktor, İsveçli öğrenci, İspanyol tenisçi etc. But do note that these all denote persons... If they were some objects, that is non-human, then you would have to use again the -(s)i ending. as in Türk kahvesi, Yunan uzosu, Şam fıstığı, İngiliz Sterlini etc. And one other intriguing point I would say is that if you would go on and say Ben İngiliz öğretmeniyim that would sound as if you are a teacher for English people. or Türk doktoruyum. Doctor for Turkish people. Well, İngilizce is basicly none of the above it's the English language so one should always use the -(s)i ending with the noun coming afterward. ** As I explained last night "onun yerine" has the -e ending because there's a motion onto that place, replacement of an older subject with a newer one. But what if we use "onun yerinde"? Here there is no movement, and we're stationary so this means "at his/her place". You can use this construction in the sentences like If I were him/her: Onun yerinde olsaydım. (lit: If I would have been at his place) Thus you could generate other combinations: Benim yerimde (If ...... were me) Senin yerinde (If ...... were you) Onun yerinde (If ...... were him/her) Bizim yerimizde (If ...... were us) Sizin yerinizde (If ...... were you) Onların yerinde (If ...... were them) (Note that the above "if"s come from the conjugation of the following "olmak") You can fill in the dots with: olsaydım (I) (lit: If I would have been) olsaydın (You) (lit: If you would have been) olsaydı (he/she) (lit: If he would have been) olsaydık (we) (lit: If we would have been) olsaydınız (you) (lit: If I would have been) olsalardı (they) (lit: If I would have been) I don't know though whether you know how to construct the rest of the sentence such as: "If I were you, I would do (not do) that" But I'll leave it for you right now so that you can have a bit of a study and check back later! :) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sierra Diglot Senior Member Turkey livinginlights.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 296 posts - 411 votes Speaks: English*, SwedishB1 Studies: Turkish | Message 46 of 91 07 December 2010 at 11:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the further clarification. Basically, "yerine" is more or less "instead" and
"yerinde" means "in your/his/her/its place"? "If I were you, I wouldn't do that"... well, I'll take a crack at it. Would that be " (senin) yerinde olsaydım, bunu yapmazdım"? As far as I recall, in cases like this we're meant to take the present simple of the verb and then add personal endings in the past tense. I'm definitely not yet at the point where constructions like this are flowing out of my mouth flawlessly, but I'd definitely understand it if I saw it written and I'm pretty sure what I wrote is correct. Edited by Sierra on 07 December 2010 at 11:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sierra Diglot Senior Member Turkey livinginlights.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 296 posts - 411 votes Speaks: English*, SwedishB1 Studies: Turkish | Message 47 of 91 07 December 2010 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Something a bit longer this time... let's hope it makes sense :)
Bugün hayatımdaki en utanç verici şey hakkında yazmak istedim, ama o kadar kötü bir şey aklıma gelmedi. Onun yerine, birkaç Vermont'a dönmeye beni heyecanlandıran şeyleri listeye yapacağımı zannediyorum. Ilk önce, Matt, yani abimi, çok özledim. Onun benim en büyük arkadaşım olduğunu için onunla Kuzey Carolina'ya taşınmaya planlıyorum. Başka birtakım özlediğim şeyler var tabii- çılgın partilere gidip açık pencerelerle otoyoldan sürmek gibi. Döndüğümde kış olacak, ama karda bir sürü eğlenceli şeyler var... kayak yapmak, kızakla gitmek, kartopu savaş oynamak... Ancak çok zamandan beri soğuk bir yerde oturmuyorum. 10 dereceden daha alçak ısıya alıştıracağım için çok zaman gerekeceği sanırım! --- Most glaring mistakes? I have a very bad feeling about "karda" but I can't put my finger on how else to express "in the snow"... maybe "karın olduğu zamanda" (which I hope means more or less "when there is snow")? That sounds horribly awkward in English, but well, so does pretty much everything when it's directly translated. Edited by Sierra on 07 December 2010 at 12:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| magister Pro Member United States Joined 6393 days ago 346 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Turkish, Irish Personal Language Map | Message 48 of 91 07 December 2010 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hakan,
Açıklamalar için teşekkür ederim. Bu yardımcı ipuçlarıdır! Sierra, İyi iş yapmaya devam edin! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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