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| digitlhand Triglot Groupie United States ryanslrblog.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6018 days ago 77 posts - 108 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Swedish Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Japanese, Greek, French | Message 33 of 40 10 July 2010 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
Right on the money doviende, that's the core of what I feel makes L-R so hard. It works really well but most of the time one is listening to incomprehensible audio for a long time. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6236 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 34 of 40 10 July 2010 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
Then you're doing it wrong, I think. I find the first few hours are incomprehensible, but by 20 hours in, it's simply not incomprehensible audio if I'm working intensely. Atamagaii has mentioned to me that the critical thing is to make it comprehensible - without parallel texts, s/he's used pop-up dictionaries to figure Japanese out one sentence at a time. It only needs to be fleeting comprehension, not even hit short term memory, but it's not very effective if it's not comprehensible. If you go for incomprehensible input, this basically turns into "All Japanese All The Time" - it works, but it's much slower. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| digitlhand Triglot Groupie United States ryanslrblog.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6018 days ago 77 posts - 108 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Swedish Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Japanese, Greek, French | Message 35 of 40 10 July 2010 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
Perhaps I worded it incorrectly or perhaps I didn't. I'm on my seventh hour of Listening-Reading (alone) in Harry Potter in Japanese and although I am starting to pick up individual words, I have not started to feel like I can understand everything I hear. I know where I am in the story if that is what you mean... I'm guessing we don't share the same definition of comprehensible audio. I'll admit I don't have a good definition myself so I'm probably to blame. I'll report at the twentieth hour what I can and can't understand. Right now I can understand, he, she, who, what, when, where, how, many words like cat, train, motorcycle, said, thought, wrote, read, we... etc.. I'm missing many words in this list but that's the gist of it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6236 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 36 of 40 10 July 2010 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
Our definitions of comprehensible audio are probably similar. That sounds in line with what I'd expect for 7 hours into Japanese, and similar to where I was 7 hours into Polish. Having the first few hours be like that seems to be the fastest way to pick up this base, but doing dozens of hours without help like parallel texts or pop-up dictionaries for less-frequent words strikes me as painful - I really do prefer to have help in making the text more comprehensible. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| digitlhand Triglot Groupie United States ryanslrblog.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6018 days ago 77 posts - 108 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Swedish Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Japanese, Greek, French | Message 37 of 40 10 July 2010 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Volte, you're probably right about the 20 hours... Now that you've pointed it out, my French is really comprehensible after about 27 hours of Listening-Reading... I suppose I remember German and Swedish being harder than they were. In any case, with daily updates I should be able to better describe my experience for others in the future.
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6236 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 38 of 40 10 July 2010 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
Sounds good; logs are quite useful, because it's really easy for memory to drift over time. I look forward to reading yours. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| doviende Diglot Senior Member Canada languagefixatio Joined 5783 days ago 533 posts - 1245 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Hindi, Swedish, Portuguese | Message 39 of 40 10 July 2010 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks for your encouragement, Volte. Since I'm currently stuck without any Swedish texts for my Swedish audiobooks (and probably no opportunity to get any until I get to Sweden a few weeks from now), it actually makes a lot of sense for me to use the English PDFs I have of these books. So, I guess I'll be involuntarily trying L-R with English text and Swedish audio for the next while.
I tried a chapter this afternoon, and it felt a bit confusing. I have trouble syncing the audio and text, but I'm sure that'll get easier. I'll try and finish my current 25 hour audiobook using L1 text and see how it goes. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6236 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 40 of 40 10 July 2010 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes - it's harder to stay synced with L1 text than L2 text, especially if you don't have a parallel text. For what it may be worth, I mainly read L1 at the beginning, but once I can read L2 and get most of the meaning, I tend to do that and just refer to L1 for bits which aren't clear, because focusing mainly on L1 is really distracting at that point. Good luck with your experiment! 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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