eumiro Bilingual Octoglot Groupie Germany Joined 5062 days ago 74 posts - 102 votes Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, French, English, German, Polish, Spanish, Russian Studies: Italian, Hungarian
| Message 9 of 19 10 August 2010 at 4:23pm | IP Logged |
ChristianVlcek wrote:
Madman6510 wrote:
I have personally never been able to roll my Spanish rr properly. Teacher spent 10 minutes trying to teach me how to do it, never was able to figure it out really. |
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10 minutes. Man, it took me 2 years to be able to roll my rs again after not speaking Slovak for 10 years. |
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Many children in Slovakia learn the rolled 'R' as one of the last sounds, with the age of 4-5. There are even adults who do not pronounce it correctly (they pronounce it more like the French 'R', which is not used in Slovak).
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Derian Triglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5096 days ago 227 posts - 464 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Czech, French, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 10 of 19 10 August 2010 at 4:33pm | IP Logged |
eumiro wrote:
Many children in Slovakia learn the rolled 'R' as one of the last sounds, with the age of 4-5.
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Yup, I've learned to make an 'R' very late - when I was six.
It was very hard for me, because all the kids at the kindergarten could do it and only I couldn't. One day I just woke up and made it :)
It is always a big thing in the family, when a kid makes his/her first 'R'.
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5799 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 11 of 19 10 August 2010 at 5:57pm | IP Logged |
Britomartis wrote:
You might be trying too hard. If you blow too hard over your tongue, it won't roll. |
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This is possible.
The other possibility is that you're trying too hard. If you tense up your tongue it won't be springy enough. Frustration leads to tension, so don't hassle yourself too much about not getting it.
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PaulLambeth Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5161 days ago 244 posts - 315 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Icelandic, Hindi, Irish
| Message 12 of 19 11 August 2010 at 2:17pm | IP Logged |
Derian wrote:
eumiro wrote:
Many children in Slovakia learn the rolled 'R' as one of the last sounds, with the age of 4-5.
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Yup, I've learned to make an 'R' very late - when I was six.
It was very hard for me, because all the kids at the kindergarten could do it and only I couldn't. One day I just woke up and made it :)
It is always a big thing in the family, when a kid makes his/her first 'R'. |
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That's brilliant, I never knew that. That's what we lack in English - a second "first word" moment.
The advice about not trying too hard is good. I've been trying for about a year; 3 months ago I managed to do my first quite bad trill, and just yesterday it clicked. I'm not aware that I was doing anything differently, just that I can now do it when before I couldn't.
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ANK47 Triglot Senior Member United States thearabicstudent.blo Joined 6885 days ago 188 posts - 259 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Arabic (classical)
| Message 13 of 19 25 August 2010 at 4:31am | IP Logged |
To do a rolled r you really have to push a lot of air through to get it going. I think rolling r's is a lot like whistling though. You can ask people where to put your tongue and lips but it just takes a lot of practice on your own trying different things.
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littlelee Newbie Canada Joined 5003 days ago 13 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian
| Message 14 of 19 25 August 2010 at 5:18am | IP Logged |
^ I can only whistle if I'm sucking air in. When blowing air out, it doesn't happen for me. :(
Edited by littlelee on 25 August 2010 at 5:18am
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michaelmichael Senior Member Canada Joined 5045 days ago 167 posts - 202 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French
| Message 15 of 19 25 August 2010 at 6:39am | IP Logged |
PaulLambeth wrote:
Derian wrote:
eumiro wrote:
Many children in Slovakia learn the rolled 'R' as one of the last sounds, with the age of 4-5.
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Yup, I've learned to make an 'R' very late - when I was six.
It was very hard for me, because all the kids at the kindergarten could do it and only I couldn't. One day I just woke up and made it :)
It is always a big thing in the family, when a kid makes his/her first 'R'. |
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That's brilliant, I never knew that. That's what we lack in English - a second "first word" moment.
The advice about not trying too hard is good. I've been trying for about a year; 3 months ago I managed to do my first quite bad trill, and just yesterday it clicked. I'm not aware that I was doing anything differently, just that I can now do it when before I couldn't. |
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I know the English Th sound is late, though I don't know if it's as late as the dreaded R's.
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galindo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4995 days ago 142 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Portuguese
| Message 16 of 19 02 September 2010 at 3:29am | IP Logged |
I don't remember having a problem rolling my R's as a child, but I did notice it was harder to do after I hadn't needed to speak Spanish for some time. One thing I've found funny in learning Japanese is how rolling all the R's is a way to sound gruff or crude or manly. To me it sounds pretty hard to do, because unlike in Spanish ALL the R's get rolled, and there's a lot of them. Luckily normal Japanese isn't spoken that way, especially not by girls my age.
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