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| duffdude Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6990 days ago 75 posts - 72 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 9 of 24 09 May 2006 at 5:14am | IP Logged | ||
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What if you only listened to all of the Pimsleur course and did not speak. Would this work?
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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 6812 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 24 09 May 2006 at 6:13am | IP Logged | ||
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I think max means listening only in your target language. The trouble with listening (and not responding) to Pimsleur is that you'd hear lots of English also, not just your target language. Edited by patuco on 09 May 2006 at 6:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6980 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 11 of 24 09 May 2006 at 6:17am | IP Logged | ||
Of course you could do that if you have the patience for it :-). But as patuco said I think there is too much english. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| duffdude Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6990 days ago 75 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 12 of 24 09 May 2006 at 6:54am | IP Logged | ||
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Pimsleur is very tiresome yes. I suppose if you are learning to speak as well it probably doesn't seem as slow.
I'm currently in the situation where I am using Pimsleur but can only listen. This is because I mostly use it whilst travelling. Seeing as I've near to no experience speaking Mandarin I'm not prepared to do a show every morning for my fellow metro communters enjoyment! Another reason is that I think I believe to some extent all these theories about listening for X amount of hours before speaking. My progress is stagnent at a point where I get annoyed at how slow Pimsleur is (for listening only) and so I stop studying, then I restart having to redo what I did before to make sure I know it. But then I get frustrated again. My study of Mandarin is not too serious right now anyway, so when I'm prepared to try more i'm sure I'll get past this problem (or at least i'll have to make myself). But it sure isn't helping! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| solidsnake Diglot Senior Member China Joined 6838 days ago 469 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 13 of 24 10 May 2006 at 12:05am | IP Logged | ||
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Im pretty much in complete agreement with maxb on this. There
definitely is a certain amount of time that must pass before the sounds are permentantly and without conscious thought, in your head. From there it extends out to where you simply just think of the thing you're trying to say and BLAM, out comes the sentence/gestault in whole, without thinking of the individual units of words (or their tones in separate- you ultimately just hear the tone as an innate part of the word itself, as different as "buy" and "boy" in english, and you do not "add" the tone to the phenome, you merely pronounce it unison. If you go through the listening period alone without speaking, you will never have to relearn bad habits, or best case scenario your pronunciation will just become smoother and smoother until native. OR you can begin speaking/communicating from the beginning and spend countless hours working on pronunication instead of something valuable like vocabulary. Either way that time must pass (roughly 9 months). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| solidsnake Diglot Senior Member China Joined 6838 days ago 469 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 14 of 24 10 May 2006 at 12:09am | IP Logged | ||
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David Hallgren--btw, what was your timeline on japanese? Someone tried
to teach me some basic japanese phenomes the other day and I kept pronouncing like the the j and n as a mandarin j or n. Also my sentence intonation was all flat, even and controlled a la mandarin, but thats of course to be expected pre-listening phase. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| duffdude Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6990 days ago 75 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 15 of 24 10 May 2006 at 3:30am | IP Logged | ||
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What materials would you recommend to use to try and have a listening period?
Like I said above, I have been doing this with Pimsleur. But Pimsleur is all the more frustratingly slow when not speaking. I do want to finally get my hands on Assimil soon. But in the meantime, is there anything else you'd recommend for someone still in beginner stages? Thanks 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6980 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 16 of 24 10 May 2006 at 3:35am | IP Logged | ||
It is difficult to say. Basically any dialog based course would do, like Teach Yourself Chinese, Colloquial Chinese and so on. You might even find some dialouges on the internet. At the beginning stage I don't think you should worry about the dialouges being spoken slowly. The important thing is that the intonation is reasonably natural. I so wish I had used this method when starting out instead of spending countless hours imitating Pimsleur and FSI tapes. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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