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 Keith Diglot Moderator JapanRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6574 days ago 526 posts - 536 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 24 10 May 2006 at 3:48am | IP Logged | ||
But Max, your intonation is so natural and excellent (according to Tony). So how can you be against what you actually did? How can you be so certain that the proposed method would be better? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6980 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 18 of 24 10 May 2006 at 8:41am | IP Logged | ||
Because I noticed a significant improvement in my ability to mimick FSI tapes after a period of intensive listening. In november last year I was studying module 7 of "Standard chinese a modular approach". Then I decided to stop and try learning from some real content instead. I did that for about two months. All by intensive listening. Then I tried listening again to the FSI tape. Suddenly imitating these tapes was much easier than before. When I stopped I sometimes had to replay a sentence several times before I could get it. After two months of listening I had no problems imitating the sentence having only heard it once. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| solidsnake Diglot Senior Member China Joined 6838 days ago 469 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 19 of 24 10 May 2006 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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During that two months of listening max, did you speak much at all
(outside of your practice sessions) or were pretty much mute the whole time (Chinese-wise)? Also, I remember reading you mentioning audiobooks somewhere on here. Can recommend a couple good ones, and where to buy as well? Thanks- Edited by solidsnake on 10 May 2006 at 2:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6980 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 20 of 24 11 May 2006 at 6:12am | IP Logged | ||
No I wasn't I spoke chinese frequently so maybe that helped too I really can't say. However when I used chinese it was for conversation I wasn't corrected in any way. My feeling is that speaking alone won't get you a better accent. I think it was listening alot that improved it, but of course I have no way of knowing for sure. So I maybe wrong about the effect of the listening. However before starting the intesive listening period I was also frequently speaking in chinese. So this makes me believe that it was the listening period that did the trick. Anyway I plan to use this method when I start studying cantonese, since I have zero opportunities to practice cantonese right now I'll be able to try it out better. Edited by maxb on 11 May 2006 at 6:19am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6691 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 24 11 May 2006 at 6:49am | IP Logged | ||
This REALLY caught my attention. I have been on the lookout for flashcard software, and there are lots of them out there but each one I have looked at so far have been flawed in one way or another, considering the particular needs for Chinese. I was actually toying with the idea to start writing something myself, but I will probably not have the time. Any chance of sharing your program ? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| David Hallgren Triglot Groupie Sweden davidhallgren.se Joined 6792 days ago 40 posts - 43 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, Japanese Studies: Mandarin | Message 22 of 24 11 May 2006 at 9:09am | IP Logged | ||
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Right now they're created in MS Access so if you have that I might be able to give it to you. The one for Japanese has much more interesting features so far but I plan to improve the one for Chinese with more specific functions gradually. If you only want a simple flashcard software for vocab, no problems. As for the hanzi program I'd like to fix a few things first and also make sure there are no copyright issues with the data I've put in it.
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| Kubelek Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland chomikuj.pl/Kuba_wal Joined 6649 days ago 415 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC2, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 23 of 24 11 May 2006 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sounds great, I'm waiting for a final version.
maxb, when should you start the listening period, then? At the very beginning, where everything might seem gibberish? Would this have any positive effect? Or rather wait until the basic conversational level (like you?) and then start using audiobooks and various recordings (although they're still not completely understandable)? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6980 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 24 of 24 12 May 2006 at 2:46am | IP Logged | ||
I think you should start it right away. But of course you need to understand what you are listening to. So you need a dialouge based course with a textbook. I don't think you should wait to the basic conversational level. As an example I can tell you what I have done for cantonese. I bought the "Teach Yourself cantonese" course. I took the audio cds and converted them into mp3. Then I edited each mp3 to remove everything but the dialouge. Then I just start listening over and over. At first of course I don't understand a thing. So I simultaneously read the book and look up all words I don't know in the vocabulary list. Having done this a few times I start to feel that I understand the dialouge so then I close the book and just listen. When I take up cantonese seriously I plan to go through the entire "Teach yourself" book in this manner before I attempt to say anything. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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