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| yall Diglot Newbie Italy Joined 5755 days ago 22 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Latin, French | Message 9 of 20 22 November 2011 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Assimil has Il Friulano in tasca, Il Genovese in tasca, and Il Piemontese in tasca, all of course with Italian as the base language, but nothing for Neapolitan. I haven't used these and the descriptions sound like they are more like phrasebooks, but if you want to learn an Italian dialect, it may be a starting point.
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| ikinaridango Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5919 days ago 61 posts - 80 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese, Italian Studies: German, Polish | Message 10 of 20 24 November 2011 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Agreed. The distinction between language and dialect is a contentious one, and one over which the debate shows little sign of abating. Some would say that a country's so- called standard language(s), be it Italian, English, Japanese or whatever, is simply one dialect that has achieved greater social and political currency and thus acquires a veneer of prestige. As far as Neapolitan is concerned, whatever your position on the dialect versus language issue, it can't however be successfully argued that the language of Naples is 'based' on standard Italian. Standard Italian, which as far as I know was drawn largely from the Florentine of the era of Dante, Petrarch and Boccaccio, is, like, modern Neapolitan, a descendant of vulgar Latin. However, vulgar Latin's transition to modern Neapolitan would have occurred independently of its parallel evolution into the varieties that would come to be associated with Florence and Tuscany in general. This means it would be no more plausible to suggest that Neapolitan, Sicilian or Piedmontese are based on standard Italian than it would be to suggest that standard Spanish, French or Romanian are. My apologies to the original poster for not addressing the topic at hand. I too would like to know of more resources for learning the so-called dialects of the Italian peninsula. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ikinaridango Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5919 days ago 61 posts - 80 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, Italian Studies: German, Polish | Message 11 of 20 24 November 2011 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
These are to the best of my knowledge phrasebooks, though knowing Assimil perhaps they provide more than more conventional offerings in the language for holidaymakers field. Does anyone know how much they (claim) to teach you, and how they compare to the conventional Assimil courses? Edited by ikinaridango on 24 November 2011 at 1:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5676 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 12 of 20 26 November 2011 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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One of the most beautiful songs of all times was written in Neapolitan:
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| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6577 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 13 of 20 26 November 2011 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think it's cool that someone is trying to learn one of these dialects. But how is it
going, did you manage to find any useful learning materials? More interesting still, what do you plan to use it for? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Nature Diglot Groupie Canada Joined 5031 days ago 63 posts - 80 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 14 of 20 05 December 2011 at 8:26am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Rule 1 of Neapolitan: Don't EVER pronounce the vowels at the end of the word!
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| Rykketid Diglot Groupie Italy Joined 4627 days ago 88 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: French | Message 15 of 20 01 February 2012 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Hi, some of them are considered languages, others are considered dialects... don't ask me why and what the criteria for such a distinction are... As for Neapolitan, it was recently "upgraded" to the status of language furthermore it is a UNESCO World Heritage (!). Besides Italian, other languages of the Italian Peninsula are Sicilian, Sardinian, Ladino, Venetian and so on and so forth... Some dialects are the dialect of Bologna, Romanesque, Milanese... However, basically each single city/town/village has its own dialect! Many foreign people have asked me to explain the dialects issue and I always get a headache when it comes to explain them this thing... it's so complicated! :-) &nb sp; 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| etracher Triglot Groupie Italy Joined 5128 days ago 92 posts - 180 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish Studies: Modern Hebrew, Russian, Latvian | Message 16 of 20 04 February 2012 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I own Il Friulano in Tasca and I can say that it most definitely is not a standard phrasebook. The book consists of an introduction to the language and region, a short (45 p.) summary of grammar, and "conversation" section that is a mix of linguistic functions, typical Assimil humour,and thematic vocab and phrases (without trying to present "useful" tourist phrases, however). It also includes an Italian/Friulian glossary at the end. I believe that the Piemontese and Genovese follow the same format, but I haven't looked at them in a while and I don't own them. I found the book interesting, but not all that useful once I acquired a larger grammar book. I'm sorry that I can't help the original poster with the question about Neapolitan, though. I've got material for other Italian "dialects" but I haven't started collecting anything related to Neapolitan yet. I know that there is a small Italian/Neapolitan dictionary published by Vallardi. It is probably similar in format to the Bolognese and Friulian ones, which have a short section on grammar and pronunciation (including irregular verbs), basic bilingual dictionaries running both ways, and a series of proverbial expressions at the end. Edited by etracher on 04 February 2012 at 5:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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