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| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6553 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes  Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 81 of 91 21 March 2012 at 10:20am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, it was done by the Soviet regime, that's what I said. It's just one of the many reasons why Latvians hated the USSR, didn't want to join it and were happy to get rid of it eventually. I don't think anyone blames the Russians that live here for that. It's not their fault that they came here during the Soviet time (or were born here) and suddenly found themselves in a different country in 1991. It sucks for them, I guess, but the guilty party here is the USSR who encouraged them to move, not Latvia. As I said, Latvia doesn't owe the Russian language anything. And it has provided a very good environment for the Russians that live here. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 82 of 91 21 March 2012 at 10:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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"And it has provided a very good environment
for the Russians that live here." It did not provide anything. On the opposite, it made a lot of efforts to diminish usage of the Russian language. Latvia could become a normal bilingual country. Many Russians voted for independence in 1991 and supported it. "It sucks for them, I guess, but the guilty party here is the USSR who encouraged them to move, not Latvia." Latvia was a part of the Soviet Union. Why does it suck for them, if the Soviet Union was so bad and modern latvia is so good? It is something wrong that even in this situation people do not feel satisfied with the changes. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6553 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 83 of 91 21 March 2012 at 11:19am | IP Logged | |||||
Could you please stop spreading lies? It provided government funded schools for Russian children. That right there is a very big thing. Of course the government tried to diminish the use of Russian language - because it is Latvia, not Russia. Every language has its own place. Latvia could have become a bilingual country but it didn't want to do so. Why should it? That's what independence is, every country has a right to decide for itself what languages it should use and you have no right to tell me that what Latvia chose was wrong.
It sucks for them because they must learn Latvian if they want to become citizens. They wouldn't have this problem if they had stayed in the Russian territory. But I guess they do like it here anyway otherwise they would have migrated back to Russia after 1991. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 84 of 91 21 March 2012 at 11:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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"Could you please stop spreading lies? It provided government funded schools for
Russian children. That right there is a very big thing. Of course the government tried to diminish the use of Russian language - because it is Latvia, not Russia. Every language has its own place. Latvia could have become a bilingual country but it didn't want to do so. Why should it? That's what independence is, every country has a right to decide for itself what languages it should use and you have no right to tell me that what Latvia chose was wrong." Not every language has its own place and if Russian is spoken in Latvia, it is its place too. It did not organize anything for Russian speakers. Russian schools had existed before. But it closed a lot of things. And the process is going on, they threaten to stop education through Russian at all. Those schools are funded by local budgets and Russians pay taxes for that. That's bad that Latvia wants to make its people speak one language. In Russia many languages are supported, despite the fact that the life is against them. The problem is not to learn Latvian but that the government forcefully restricts the usage of their language. Latvia is bilingual, but the government tries to change the situation. The fact Latvia is not Russia is irrelevant here. Canada is not France or England but it is bilingual. Edited by Марк on 21 March 2012 at 11:34am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6553 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 85 of 91 21 March 2012 at 11:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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Mark, you are simply wrong about what is happening in Latvia. No one is threatening to
close Russian schools. Some radical nationalists might want it but they don't have the power to do it so those are empty threats. And the government doesn't "forcefully restrict" the use of Russian, except in official and state-related documents which must be written in the official language. And that's a common practice in many countries, there's nothing unusual or oppressing about that. Honestly, don't you think you sound a bit presumptious when you act as though you know better what's going on in Latvia than people who live here? (This is a rhetorical question, honestly I would like to end this debate.) 7 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 86 of 91 21 March 2012 at 11:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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There was high education in Russian, where is it? Are Russian speakers satisfied with
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| Improbably Diglot Newbie Norway Joined 4937 days ago 34 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English | Message 87 of 91 21 March 2012 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Quoting the rules:
"RELIGION & POLITICS No religion, no politics - house rules. Like a barman in a saloon, I ask you not to discuss politics and religion in this forum, but only languages. " Why hasn't this thread been closed yet? I hate this thread. Threads like these always just end up with meaningless bickering. Please! Can this be removed from the top of the "Specific languages" forum? This isn't about languages anymore, it's about politics and ethnicities. :/ 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Everything Diglot Groupie France Joined 4702 days ago 87 posts - 167 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 88 of 91 21 March 2012 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Every language is condemned to extinction. Including Latvian.
What policies do is slowing down the march of history. Edited by Everything on 21 March 2012 at 12:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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