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| Indíritheach Senior Member United States Joined 3835 days ago 108 posts - 146 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Irish, French | Message 161 of 336 07 November 2013 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||
Go híontach! And yes, I have an Anki deck made up of the first 4 lessons or so...I'm still working on adding new vocabulary whenever I can. I guess PM me if you're interested...I'll be at work for the next 8 hours but I should be able to send it to you this evening. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 162 of 336 10 November 2013 at 8:11am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm continuing to enjoy Learning Irish and I'm quite surprised at what I can
already translate without much hesitation. I'm not doing so badly after all! I feel like I'm really absorbing the pronunciation from the recordings as well. I spent the day watching (and re-watching) more Aifric. I enjoy the series and as I re- watch episodes, especially after doing more study, I can pick out more of what they're saying. For certain episodes that I've seen a few times now, I'm starting to feel like the subtitles are hindering me from catching more in Irish and I look away. Still have a long way to go but it's encouraging to feel I'm making progress! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 163 of 336 13 November 2013 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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So I've hit Lesson 6 in Learning Irish and as others have mentioned it's pretty tough.
It presents past and future forms of "to be" (including negatives, questions, autonomous forms, etc), which already makes it kind of dense, but then all the lenition and eclipsis rules learned so far are all mixed together. Written French is already a minefield of potential mistakes but Irish seems exponentially worse. Every word I put down after a preposition I have to ask myself should I be modifying it. I made a ton of mistakes, though I will say in one case I went with what "sounded" right which was encouraging since that's the intuition I eventually want to develop. In addition, I had been coasting on vocabulary up until now since I've already learned a lot of basics. The few words I didn't know yet I was content to look back for but now they're piling up so I need to slow down and master what I've done so far. I figure all the content that's presented in this lesson plus review of the previous ones would take a good week or two in a class of presenting and drilling so I should plan on putting in a decent amount of time. The next lesson presents past/present continuous and conditional forms of "to be" plus introduces conditional statements which is a lot to cover in two lessons. The latest episode that was posted of Aifric doesn't have English subtitles (which was especially frustrating since the last episode had a bit of a cliffhanger - it didn't really get resolved though). It was a nice little exercise to see how much I could catch. I could follow the story pretty fine due to context apart from a couple scenes, and even managed to pick up on some details thanks to understanding some words. I picked out some stuff here and there but it'll be a while until I can really dive into un-subtitled stuff. I'm trying to find out if the DVDs come with Irish subtitles - if they do I consider them a must buy. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Indíritheach Senior Member United States Joined 3835 days ago 108 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Irish, French | Message 164 of 336 13 November 2013 at 11:56pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm also way behind on vocabulary...I'm on Lesson 16 now but still studying words from Lesson 5...as I've said before, this is a long-term commitment. Let me know if they do come with Irish subtitles. I've been considering buying the DVD for my daughter and I to watch. Also, where have you been watching Aifric, on TG4? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 165 of 336 15 November 2013 at 1:06am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I have to say that Irish learning feels like quite a roller coaster. I went over
the audio of lesson 6 over and over again. It really helped when I listen-read it with the English translation focusing only on how "bí" was conjugated in each statement. Trying to focus on everything tired me out, focusing just on the main verb conjugations has been helping me solidify the main point of the lesson and my comprehension of everything else seems to flow much more easily when I'm not trying to catch everything. So there seems to be some light at the end of that tunnel. That is until I looked at a comprehensive grammar again and got way overwhelmed. I'm really hoping that taking everything one by one will make this all make sense.
Will do! Yup, on TG4. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 166 of 336 19 November 2013 at 1:30am | IP Logged | ||
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Getting ready to leave for my Irish immersion weekend! I'm pretty excited about it. I'll
have a report when I get back! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6699 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 167 of 336 19 November 2013 at 9:55am | IP Logged | ||
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Enjoy your stay! I'm looking forward to reading you report.
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| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 168 of 336 23 November 2013 at 8:25am | IP Logged | ||
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So just came back from the introductory evening with the Language Hunters Irish immersion weekend. I'll
have a lot more to say about the method later on once I've completed the session but I can give a few remarks based on what I know so far. So the method is game-based and the game is designed to have participants, even complete beginners, speak entirely in the language. They use TPR which serves several functions: as a memory aid, as a clue to the grammatical structure without having to explicitly teach grammar, and as a way to allow stronger speakers to teach what they know to new speakers in an easy way. This last point is very important to their mission as they stated that traditional learning is very individual - a person with a course or a text or in a traditional class with a teacher. This method is a way to build a language community between complete novices with more advanced speakers. This aligns with their mission of saving endangered languages by allowing these communities to teach each other. Another important aspect of their methodology is they believe it's not about what you know but rather what can you do. What you know can be measured by a test in a class for instance, but that doesn't mean a student can use that knowledge in real life (hence why someone can study for years yet not be able to hold a conversation). They start out not with greetings and introductions but rather with asking and answering the "journalistic questions" who what where why and how. In our introductory round we learned and practiced "what is this?" "This is a.." "Is this a...?" "Yes" "whose is this?" (Plus all the similar variations) and "where is your...?" "It is on/under the..." Of course, being Irish there's a lot of complex grammar going on with asking and answering these questions but it's all taught naturally. They said they've been tweaking the game quite a bit as they've been conducting these sessions and a major thing they've taken away is to respect the limitations of the brain to be able to focus on this kind of learning. They adopt the Pomodoro technique by setting a timer with periodic breaks built in for when we work intensively and exclusively in Irish. There are also "wild card" options that change the game up to snap people back to attention such as switching seats, doing signs only, etc. Tomorrow will be the most intense day so I'm off to rest up to make the most of it! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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