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French past perfect (pluperfect) - plus-que-parfait
FAC: plus-que-parfait - used for an action that occurred in the past before another action in the past - for si clauses, to indicate a hypothetical event or action that did not actually occur (ie. the first clause in: "if I had won the lottery, I would have bought a ... "(I spend much of my day filling in this blank in my imagination - sadly, thing is a non-occurring hypothetical). conjugation of plus-que-parfait imparfait of the auxillary (avoir or être) plus the past participle of the subject verb. short quiz on use of plus-que-parfait 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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Passé antérieur Past Perfect - literary version
Fancy-schmanzy and needlessly awkward and funny looking version of the plus-que-parfait Often introduced or signalled by: après que, aussitôt que, dès que, lorsque, quand Passé antérieur Conjugation: passé composé of auxillary verb + past participle conjugation of this verb form that I vow to neither use nor recognize Edited by Spanky on 25 September 2012 at 3:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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Mot du jour: gémir
FAC mot du jour: gémir Gémir - to moan, bemoan and groan (all of which I do) and "creak" (something I have decided to postpone for about 20 years). le gémissement - a groan or moan ______ I note wordreference.com has gémir for a groan of pain or despair, but grogner for a groan of disgust or protest. wordreference - groan I will probably need both french words, as I kinda like to mix up my groans. Edited by Spanky on 25 September 2012 at 3:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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futur proche - near future
FAC - futur proche fancy name for what we were taught is the simplest way to indicate future tense. This article suggests that futur proche is only for the near or immediate future. I had always understood there was no actual or implied time restriction on its use. Future tense - futur previously commented on, included again just to keep the other verb stuff company: FAC - futur endings for futur, added to the INFINITVE, are: -ai, -as, -a, -ons, -ez, -ont Edited by Spanky on 27 September 2012 at 7:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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irregular stems for [futur](and for conditionnel) as follows (from FAC):
acheter > achèter- similar verbs: achever, amener, emmener, lever, promener acquérir > acquerr- similar verbs: conquérir, s'enquérir appeler > appeller- similar verbs: épeler, jeter, projeter, rappeler aller > ir- avoir > aur- devoir > devr- envoyer > enverr- essayer > essaier- similar verbs: employer, ennuyer, nettoyer, payer être > ser- faire > fer- falloir > faudr- pleuvoir > pleuvr- pouvoir > pourr- savoir > saur- valoir > vaudr- venir > viendr- similar verbs: devenir, parvenir, revenir voir > verr- similar verb: revoir vouloir > voudr- FAC - irregular stems for futur and conditionnel Edited by Spanky on 27 September 2012 at 4:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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futur antérieur - Future Perfect
Futur antérieur - used for: - something that will have occurred in the future by some other specific point in the future (ie. I will have eaten by the time you get here) - for subordinate clauses beginning with any of the following conjunctions: aussitôt que, dès que, lorsque, quand, une fois que, et après que - here the futur anterieur indicates future action which will be completed before the action in the main clause. (ie. I will eat as soon as the ice cream truck has arrived - has arrived here would be reflected in the futur anterieur - "... sera arrivé" ) - for assumptions about the past(?), where the English "must" would be used (i.e. "I see Klondike bar wrappers everyone - Spanky must have looted the ice cream truck again") - for the freaky historical use previous discussed earlier in this log and then promptly ignored: Napoléon aura pris une décision importante. Conjugation: future of the auxillary verb + past participle. conjugation - future perfect Quizlet re: this tense: Futur anterieur Edited by Spanky on 12 October 2012 at 1:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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Conditonnel - Conditional mood
FAC: conditionnel mode - general information Conditionnel mood used to describe events which are contingent upon other events or conditions being satisfied, which may or may not occur. Used in "si" (if..then) constructions, for polite requests (I would like...) and "polite desires" including those which are not possible, which frankly describes most of my desires (I would like to ....) conjugation of conditionnel conjugation involves adding the following endings to the infinitive of -ER and -IR verbs (drop the final "e" from -RE verbs): -ais, -ais, -ait, -ions, -iez, -aient Irregular stems for the same verbs that are irregular for the future tense, which theoretically have been imprinted into some part of my messy brain by this temps. basic conjugation test for conditional 1 person has voted this message useful | |
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Conditional perfect / Conditionnel passé
FAC - conditionnel passé - to express action that would have occurred if in the past circumstances had been different. - for the result clause in si clauses with the unmet condition in the past perfect: ie. Si je l'avais vu, je l'aurais acheté. If I had seen it, I would have bought it. even where the unmet condition is only implied: je l'aurais dit. I would have said it (if I had been in your place) - to express an unrealized desire in the past: J'aurais aimé te voir, mais j'ai dû travailler. I would have liked to see you, but I had to work. - particularly in news reporting, for unverified or uncertain factual reporting conjugation Conjugation: conditional form of auxillary verb + past participle Quiz-o-rama Edited by Spanky on 12 October 2012 at 2:39am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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