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French with alternative phonetics.

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Heriotza
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 Message 17 of 26
15 August 2012 at 6:02pm | IP Logged 
napoleon wrote:
The FSI French Phonology course is worth its weight in gold. It is not an easy course to complete. However, completing it gives you a sense of accomplishment. :-)



Does it make distinction between closed 'e', open 'e' and rounded 'e'? I read a while ago that it doesn't.

Edited by Heriotza on 15 August 2012 at 6:05pm

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vermillon
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 Message 18 of 26
15 August 2012 at 6:11pm | IP Logged 
rivere123 wrote:
A lot of French speakers, especially younger people, write or speak like this in informal situations. I would say it's kind of like 1337 in English, not really serious. This isn't hard to understand, but sometimes it can get downright impossible to comprehend if they apply themselves. XD


"write or speak like this"??? How do they "speak like this"?
I would say writing this way is a clear sign of under-education, and usually most people stop typing like this when getting past their teens...

As for Le Petit Prince "phonetic" transcription, it suffers things like "ay" which in French would not be pronounced "aille" but "eille"...
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Heriotza
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 Message 19 of 26
15 August 2012 at 6:23pm | IP Logged 
Thor1987 wrote:
Alright real simple I'm looking for french written phonetically or atleast in a way where
I'm not reading silent ts, all this hogwash ch versus sh, and the list goes on.

Why might you ask, because if it looks the way it does now I gonna keep using English
pronounciations for french words.


You need desperately to learn all the phonemes of the French language, the IPA transcription and the rules that govern the French spelling.

French Spelling Rules

Search for "Le Français par la «Méthode Nature - scribd". That's the whole scan of a course with more than 1,000 pages text of French text with IPA transcriptions underneath each line.

Edited by Heriotza on 15 August 2012 at 6:25pm

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LaughingChimp
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 Message 20 of 26
16 August 2012 at 12:01pm | IP Logged 
Heriotza wrote:


You need desperately to learn all the phonemes of the French language, the IPA transcription and the rules that govern the French spelling.


No, you don't. Learn from the sound, not transriptions. Transcription is never precise enough, you need to hear the sound.
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Heriotza
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 Message 21 of 26
16 August 2012 at 7:29pm | IP Logged 
LaughingChimp wrote:
Heriotza wrote:


You need desperately to learn all the phonemes of the French language, the IPA transcription and the rules that govern the French spelling.


No, you don't. Learn from the sound, not transriptions. Transcription is never precise enough, you need to hear the sound.


Do you know what the word phoneme means?
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LaughingChimp
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 Message 22 of 26
17 August 2012 at 11:03am | IP Logged 
Heriotza wrote:


Do you know what the word phoneme means?


Yes. What is your point?
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Heriotza
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 Message 23 of 26
17 August 2012 at 7:27pm | IP Logged 
LaughingChimp wrote:
Heriotza wrote:


Do you know what the word phoneme means?


Yes. What is your point?


My is point that I'm talking about creating a mental image of THE SOUNDS when I'm saying that it's necessary for him to learn all the French phonemes.

Edited by Heriotza on 17 August 2012 at 7:28pm

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LaughingChimp
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 Message 24 of 26
18 August 2012 at 7:46am | IP Logged 
Heriotza wrote:
LaughingChimp wrote:
Heriotza wrote:


Do you know what the word phoneme means?


Yes. What is your point?


My is point that I'm talking about creating a mental image of THE SOUNDS when I'm saying that it's necessary for him to learn all the French phonemes.


Knowing just the phonemes is not enough if you want to speak with a good accent. Phonemes are defined in such a way that you can distinguish all the words, but knowing the phonemes alone is not enough to recreate the original sound.

Edited by LaughingChimp on 18 August 2012 at 7:49am



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