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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6398 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 33 of 37 10 October 2012 at 4:16pm | IP Logged |
Ogrim wrote:
Talking about correcting teachers: My children go to an international school, so there are many native English speakers. Now in one class this year they got an English teacher who was not native, and the children would laugh at her accent and correct her all the time. She lasted one month, now she has left.
A bit off topic: Obviously every school in every country cannot be expected to have native speakers as language teachers (I myself only had Norwegians teaching me English, German and French in school), but at an international school it is clearly risky to put non-natives in front of native children. |
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The worst thing about it is having natives and non-natives in the same class. (And if natives feel they should study with non-natives, it's quite sad:( It should be explained to them that there are different registers, and that a class for non-natives won't necessarily help with what they struggle with... some might even just need help with their self-esteem O_o)
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| chenshujian Diglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5251 days ago 122 posts - 139 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, English Studies: French
| Message 34 of 37 11 October 2012 at 9:03am | IP Logged |
I would be pissed off if my prounciation was corrected by someone whose level is no higher than mine.
And I would be unhappy if I were to make a point of view, trying to say something that makes sense, but the listeners just focus on the minor pronunciation or grammatical error.
But if a native speaker corrects me, that's fine. Because I know that they have a undoubtably higher level.
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
We are a family who are intensely focused on languages. Me in particular. This means that although the teachers insisted children should not be corrected in their speech, we have always corrected our children from when they were very small. They are also exceptionally articulate, and I trust there is a link.
Fast forward 10 years, and they now start correcting us; my husband in English and Norwegian, me in English , Norwegian and Spanish. Since I think that corrections in general are good, because they help you become better, I do not mind, but my husband goes bananas when the kids correct him - particularly if it is in front of others.
How do you deal with it, are you able to take it with a smile, and rejoice in the fact that your kids (or other family members) have a high level, or do you feel humiliated and react with anger?
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5567 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 35 of 37 11 October 2012 at 11:23pm | IP Logged |
chenshujian wrote:
I would be pissed off if my prounciation was corrected by someone whose level is no higher than mine. |
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I probably wouldn't be annoyed. I notice mistakes in other learners I would never make, and then I notice they picked up things I didn't know or remember despite us attending the same class. So, when I notice the other person makes a certain mistake again and again, I ... might nudge them or ask the teacher to explain or show it to us once again. Or I might ask the other student 'xxx or xxy, what do you think is right? I thought xxy was right, but you just said xxx ...'
More often than not the recipient of just a remark know that particular area to be a weak point. I usually do, and even though it irritates me, it's valuable feedback that tells me I should have known that, so I really should review and practice.
Edited by Bao on 11 October 2012 at 11:26pm
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5135 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 36 of 37 12 October 2012 at 9:42pm | IP Logged |
chenshujian wrote:
I would be pissed off if my prounciation was corrected by someone whose level is no higher than mine.
And I would be unhappy if I were to make a point of view, trying to say something that makes sense, but the listeners just focus on the minor pronunciation or grammatical error.
But if a native speaker corrects me, that's fine. Because I know that they have a undoubtably higher level.
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
We are a family who are intensely focused on languages. Me in particular. This means that although the teachers insisted children should not be corrected in their speech, we have always corrected our children from when they were very small. They are also exceptionally articulate, and I trust there is a link.
Fast forward 10 years, and they now start correcting us; my husband in English and Norwegian, me in English , Norwegian and Spanish. Since I think that corrections in general are good, because they help you become better, I do not mind, but my husband goes bananas when the kids correct him - particularly if it is in front of others.
How do you deal with it, are you able to take it with a smile, and rejoice in the fact that your kids (or other family members) have a high level, or do you feel humiliated and react with anger?
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My daughter speaks better English than both my husband and I, and my husband does make some very noticeable mistakes when he speaks. It is however extremely tough for him to be corrected by a teenager in front of other adults. I have asked her to be more discrete about it, but she is right in the period where she is starting to become independent from her parents - and she finds it uncool that he is allowed to correct her, and that she should not be allowed to correct him.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6398 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 37 of 37 13 October 2012 at 3:19am | IP Logged |
Then he shouldn't correct her:)
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