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Zireael
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 Message 17 of 152
19 February 2013 at 7:27pm | IP Logged 
I took a Lesson 3 test on the Madinah site, and scored 100%.

Today's Anki session was 38 cards with 95% correct answers, while the total number of cards has exceeded 100 today after adding words below.


New words
The order is IPA pronunciation - Arabic spelling - meaning.
Himaar حمار donkey
Hisaan حصان horse
Maa ماء water
Dʒamil جميل beautiful
Hadʒar حجر stone
Waraq ورقة paper
Thaqil ثقيل heavy
Xafif خفيفة light (adj.)

Edited by Zireael on 24 February 2013 at 12:56pm



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 Message 18 of 152
20 February 2013 at 7:40pm | IP Logged 
Since there's no capital letters in Arabic...
ةانت مالك
هو كريم
how do you know if it says "you're a queen" or "you're Malika"; "he's generous" or "he's Kareem"?
Of course, if I wrote اسمه كريم it'd be obvious, but what happens if I only use a pronoun - how do you know it's a proper name or a general noun?


I scored 80% on a Madinah Lesson 4 test, even though I didn’t know some of the words.

New words
The order is IPA pronunciation - Arabic spelling - meaning.

Aina اين where
Man مَن who
Maða ماذا what

Fis في in
Min من from

Bint بنت daughter, girl
Ibn ابن son
Ism اسم name

Salaam سلام peace

Malik ملك king
Maalik مالِك owner
Malika ةملك queen

Bulanda بولندا Poland

Edited by Zireael on 24 February 2013 at 12:57pm



Zireael
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 Message 19 of 152
22 February 2013 at 7:04pm | IP Logged 
100% on a Lesson 7 test on Madinah site and 75% on Lesson 11 test (I skipped Lessons 8-10 since they cover material I don’t know yet)

Thursday's Anki session: 41 cards, 100% correct. Total deck size: 122 cards.

Some more sentences. Letters in red are Sarah's corrections. (Damn retyping an entire sentence just to get the first alif fixed in the last sentence, and I can't make it red either)

انا من بولند و انتِ من اليمن
امي و ابوي لا يفهمون اللغة الهربية
نا لا يوجبني
ماذا يوجبنك انتِ؟
أنا أقرأكياب


I had to change the Arabic font so that it looks 'correct' to Sarah (it's now Arabic Typesetting instead of Fixed Simplified Arabic). Also, I've started using Open Office Writer since it's much better than the fixed Arabic font sizes in Word 2000.

Sarah confirmed that Bulanda بولندا doesn't take an article, unlike اليمن or الصين or اليابان

To sum up what I know of Arabic sentences already, adjectives come after the noun they describe and the pronouns seem to come at the end of the questions. Spanish also has adjectives come after the noun, so I'm not surprised.

She also told me to „just focus on the things” she gave me, i.e. the verbs I was supposed to conjugate.

I conjugated all of them already except the last one, yastaqbel يستقبل . I'll do it over the weekend, after I pass an English exam for work.

Today's Anki session: 12 cards, 100% correct. 14 cards coming in tomorrow.

New words
The order is IPA pronunciation - Arabic spelling - meaning.
Samak سمك fish
Tabib طبيب doctor

EDIT: To see the red corrections, head over to UniLang. I can't change font color here.

Edited by Zireael on 24 February 2013 at 12:57pm



Zireael
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 Message 20 of 152
23 February 2013 at 8:02pm | IP Logged 
I curse the diversity of Yemeni Arabic when trying to establish the phonological values for the vowels. So far, I know that vowel length does not matter in Yemeni and that some dialects delete some vowels, with no apparent rules.
According to Arabic Wikipedia (via Google Translate, I’m not that good yet), Sana’ani dialect pronounces dad as /za/. So I can rule it out too.
I’m starting to suspect I’m learning some sort of a cross between MSA and Yemeni, since Sarah doesn’t correct me regardless of whether I pronounce ذلك /dalika/ or /daleka/, nor هؤلاء /haola/ or /haula/. Or it there so much variation in Yemen that she genuinely doesn’t care?

Also, I've found the 'Record your voice' function in Anki and have been putting an old mic to use this afternoon. I think I've recorded all the words and phrases I can pronounce, which is to mean 95% of my Anki deck.



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 Message 21 of 152
23 February 2013 at 8:14pm | IP Logged 
How do you say "when" and "how" in Yemeni? I'm starting to practice with people that
speak or are learning different dialects or MSA and I'm trying to learn the question
words in all the dialects since they're different from Egyptian, which also happens to
put the question words at the end. Yemeni hasn't come up yet, but I want to be ready
when/if it does.

As for diversity in vowel sounds, even within Egypt they have different vowels in
different regions. It's all about those root consonants.



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 Message 22 of 152
24 February 2013 at 1:08pm | IP Logged 
JohannaNYC wrote:
How do you say "when" and "how" in Yemeni?


"How" is /keif/ and we didn't get to "when" yet... (Note to self: ask Sarah on Monday)



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 Message 23 of 152
25 February 2013 at 8:04pm | IP Logged 
Lesson 4, 25.02.2012
Time for past tense and imperative mood.
Past tense conjugation is easier than present, since you don't have to worry about the beginnings. The default form is, as usual, for 3rd sg. The endings are -tu, -t, -ta, -a, -u or -na; other endings rhyme with the pronoun, i.e. 'you went' is انتَ ذهبت anta ðahabta and 'they (dual) went' is انتما ذهبتما antuma ðahabtuma.
The imperative is even easier, as there are only 5 persons to worry about - male singular, female singular, dual (i.e. هما), plural male (i.e. انتم) and plural female (i.e. انتن).
Male singular has no ending, female singular has a standard -i appended, dual has an -a, plural male takes -u and plural female takes -na, so there are no surprises here.
All imperatives begin with an alif, so they are rather easy.

New words
The order is: IPA pronunciation - Arabic spelling - meaning.
oheb أحب he loves
ahbba احب he loved
aheb احب love!

ðahaba ذهب he went
mashe مشىَ he walked
kataba كتب he wrote

iðhab اذهب go!
iktob اكتب write!
is'al اسأل ask!

Sorry, Johanna, the hour flew by so fast I forgot to ask about 'when'.
Anyone knows where can I get the Yemeni Arabic book by Hamdi Qafisheh?



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 Message 24 of 152
26 February 2013 at 11:13am | IP Logged 
Spent half an hour this morning recording for 150 Anki cards, since the function I used on Saturday doesn't save the sound file. Blame Anki creator for putting two nearly identical functions in...



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