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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4507 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 17 of 49 03 April 2013 at 11:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Actually, on that note, what is the difference between a phonetician and a speech
therapist? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5181 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 18 of 49 03 April 2013 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think it's quite obvious that being a professional musician or singer does NOT give you special abilities in pronunciation (think of famous opera singers), let alone being a drummer ("march in step" as you mention). Similarly, having good pronunciation does not directly imply that you are a good singer or that you have musical abilities. There might be a higher proportion of musically enclined people in that group, but neither ability leads to the other. To me, this seems to indicate that they are rather two forms of a similar set of skills, namely the ability to parse details in sounds and to control output to match a target. Singers modulate pitch and sound quality, but not necessarily finer movements, so they may not pronounce well, whereas good "pronouncers" (!) control these finer movements, but not necessarily the quality of the voice and the techniques needed to produce pitch-accurate notes. Inevitably, some people can do both. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5181 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 19 of 49 03 April 2013 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
A phonetician studies phonetics; a speech therapist helps people with speech problems. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6709 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 20 of 49 03 April 2013 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
Maybe Olle "Speech doctor" Kjellin has some valueable information about this? I'll PM him. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5181 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 21 of 49 04 April 2013 at 3:09am | IP Logged | |||||
Both musical and linguistic expression could be said to be artistic activities. In this regard, a person who is attracted to music is more likely to be attracted to languages than the average population, and vice-versa. However, there is no indication whatsoever that an aptitude for music has any effect on pronunciation, or that an aptitude for pronunciation implies better singing skills, for instance. It certainly is not the case that an overabundant number of prominent singers have shown outstanding pronunciation skills in foreign languages. For all we (well, I) know, there very well could be no correlation at all between the two skills, even though we readily accept the existence of such a correlation. Edited by Arekkusu on 04 April 2013 at 3:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Well, musicians often sound really good when (at a concert) they are mindlessly repeating some standard phrases in the local language, things like 'thank you' and maybe something more creative. On the other hand, most non-natives sing in English with an accent, unless they've lived in an English-speaking country. Edited by Serpent on 04 April 2013 at 5:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5566 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 23 of 49 04 April 2013 at 9:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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As previous studies have shown that in adults, a strong non-native identity is linked to a strong accent, I would love to see an experiment where you first record accent and measure cultural identity, then divide them into three groups with matched participants.
All groups receive the same pronunciation training over the course of several weeks, but one is additionally primed to perceive the foreign language as a threat to their identity, one is primed to perceive it as an enrichment to their identity, and the third only receives the pronunciation training. The questions would be: As a whole, which group fares better? Which group has the individuals with the biggest improvement? From which baseline do individuals improve to which degree? Do some individuals actually regress in their ability? Which group has the biggest gap? 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4668 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 24 of 49 04 April 2013 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've observed that my Korean accent is far better than my English accent, even though I've spent more time learning and speaking English. I'd like to know whether a lot of classroom instruction with other non-native students (and possibly even non-native teachers) can be detrimental for one's accent in the target language. It's one of the striking differences between English and Korean for me that almost all interaction in Korean is done with native speakers.
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