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Sanskrit: Closest Indian Language? | ||
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| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5393 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes  | Message 9 of 21 18 April 2013 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hindi has evolved at least as much as the Romance languages. The complex declination and conjugations of Sanskrit gave way to a much simpler system, the sandhi and monster-compounds vanished. Greek is much more conservative in this respect. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lykeio Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4038 days ago 120 posts - 357 votes | Message 10 of 21 18 April 2013 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
An interesting proposition but I don't think so. There is a strong element of Persian present, though it is dimishing (a shame to my mind) but you can't really beat the fact that so many every day words are derived from their vs a literary gloss, which Hindi etc also shares. Incidentally there is an excellent resource for a broad array of Indian languages, http://shabdkosh.com/ , which has dictionaries for a variety of languages, quotes of the day and so on and forth. I agree with those saying its best to just attack the classical tongue head on btw. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| shreypete Pentaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5942 days ago 90 posts - 93 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi, Telugu, CzechB1, SpanishB2 Studies: GermanB2, FrenchA2, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 21 23 May 2013 at 10:08am | IP Logged | |||||
Actually Telugu is the most Sanskritized Dravidian language among the Dravian group. Again the Telugu spoken in the northern part of the State has quite a few number of loanwords from Marathi and Oriya (with the exception of the capital city, Hyderabad, where the locals have incorporated a lot of Persian/Urdu words into their vocabulary) as opposed to Telugu spoken in the southern part of the state (more loanwords from Kannada and Tamil.). Malayalam, Kannada, and Tulu have all adopted a bit of Sanskrit vocabulary/grammar but not nearly as what Telugu has. Marathi Dravidianized grammar? I'm sorry but this is just not true. There might be a few grammatical aspects similar to those in Dravidian languages, but that is also the case with Oriya, Bengali, Assamese etc. In terms of syntax, Dravidian languages don't really differ all that much from their Indo-Aryan counterparts. They all follow S-O-V order. The primary differences lie in vocabulary, phonetics, and intonation. I agree with one of the users who mentioned that each indian language (barring the North-east Indian languages) is slightly different in that it has retained one or more components of Sanskrit than the other. With Marathi, it's 3 different genders (like in German), with Bengali/Oriya/Assamese, it's the particle determiners, the vocabulary, grammatical tenses etc. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4462 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 12 of 21 24 May 2013 at 9:03am | IP Logged | |||||
Not so according to the book ''The Dravidian Languages'' (Cambridge Language Surveys) written by Telugu-speaking professor Bhadriraju Krishnamurti, He writes (on page 473): '' Of all the four literary languages Malayalam has absorbed Sanskrit more than any other language. It developed a special style called Manipravala, in which inflected Malayalam words are interspersed with inflected Sanskrit words like stringing corals (pravala: Sanskrit) and ''diamonds'' (ma.ni: Keralabhasa or Malayalam) together in a necklace. Most literary works from Ramacaritam (twelfth century CE) to Ezutaccan’s Mahabharatam (seventeenth century) were composed in this style, which facilitated the absorption of an enormous amount of Sanskrit vocabulary into Malayalam.'' Edited by Medulin on 24 May 2013 at 9:03am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| linguaholic_ch Triglot Groupie IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4842 days ago 69 posts - 96 votes Speaks: English, Hindi, Bengali Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, French | Message 13 of 21 28 February 2014 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Benjamin Franklin in his autobiography said that the system of learning Latin or Greek before learning the romance languages as done in schools, is ineffective. He himself suffered it and offered a solution : Learn French, Italian and Spanish. then Latin will be easier to study. Gradual ascension pf languages are more effective.
So similarly, you can learn pure Hindi and it will help you with learning Sanskrit. I bear testimony to it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6391 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 21 28 February 2014 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Benjamin Franklin was not exactly a linguist though. And French/Italian/Spanish won't help you with Greek, only Latin. However, the real issue is that many of those who have to learn Greek and/or Latin just aren't interested. Those who care don't need to learn a modern language first.
See this thread too. Edited by Serpent on 28 February 2014 at 9:35pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| linguaholic_ch Triglot Groupie IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4842 days ago 69 posts - 96 votes Speaks: English, Hindi, Bengali Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, French | Message 15 of 21 01 March 2014 at 6:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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[QUOTE=Serpent] However, the real issue is that many of those who have to learn Greek
and/or Latin just aren't interested. Those who care don't need to learn a modern language first. See this thread too.[/QUOTE Of course, Desire and Will surpasses all obstacles. But Latin seems difficult at first for many, and gradually ascending up the ladder is helpful. I believe learning Latin will help with Greek too. Also, someone does'nt have to be a linguist to comment on languages. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6391 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 21 01 March 2014 at 9:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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There's no ladder though. One language will help, and it doesn't matter which exactly. Three are overkill.
And yeah, everyone can comment on languages. But no matter how much he's respected in other areas, this doesn't make him (significantly) more qualified to speak of languages than a random high school student struggling with Latin. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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