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| Talib Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6473 days ago 171 posts - 205 votes  Speaks: English*, Arabic (classical) Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 17 of 23 27 April 2013 at 12:51am | IP Logged | ||
Thanks Julie. To be honest, I would say that it has more to do with wanderlust, but wanderlust in itself is not sufficient motivation for me to learn a language. For example, I really like the Spanish language, but I'm more interested in the language from a linguistic perspective than actually doing anything useful with it. I'm less interested in French or German, but they are more useful because I may move to Northern Africa where French is spoken, and they are both useful as research languages. I also like Urdu and Turkish (perhaps even more than the others) despite how I imagine myself as being less likely to learn them since they have a reputation of being more difficult. I take these possibilities to their logical conclusion and see what kind of benefit is possible. As a former linguistics student, I am more interested in learning about languages than actually learning them, so I need to have a good enough reason to up roll up sleeves and get to work. Edited by Talib on 27 April 2013 at 12:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Talib Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6473 days ago 171 posts - 205 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (classical) Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 18 of 23 27 April 2013 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
You are not the only one who thinks its dangerous. Dangerous Knowledge: Orientalism and its Discontents p.s. I'm actually studying classical logic and grammar in Arabic, so its not as dangerous as it initially sounds. Edited by Talib on 27 April 2013 at 8:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6409 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 23 27 April 2013 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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As I said, I don't *think* it's dangerous... I just got a terrifying thought about WHO could be reading this forum.
Isn't Latin a very useful language for classical logic and grammar? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Talib Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6473 days ago 171 posts - 205 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (classical) Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 20 of 23 27 April 2013 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't know much about Latin, but the Arabs originally took logic from Greek sources and translations of their works.
One of the benefits of studying logic in Arabic is that it prepares the student to study advanced texts in Arabic rhetoric which are filled with logic terminology. The books in Arabic rhetoric, syntax, and morphology are then used to study Islamic texts in which the terminology is needed to make sense of highly fascinating linguistic discussions. The level of grammar needed to understand these discussions is above and beyond the basic grammar needed for general reading, so it takes a bit of preparation just to start reading the linguistic commentaries. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Lykeio Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4056 days ago 120 posts - 357 votes | Message 21 of 23 27 April 2013 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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You're reading about logic in Arabic? That is...intense. I mean I spent a lot of time a
while back reading about ancient/medieval logic. I read the Greek and Sanskrit in their respective original tongues but I've no knowledge of Arabic. Which is a shame since quite a few monographs tend to discuss these all together. That is impressive. As for the title, I think it is definitely possible, and in some cases for me has been necessary, to study more than one language at a time. I've found the trick is serious hardcore drilling. I should, as a disclaimer, point out that often this is for passive acquisition for research purposes not, say, going to France and chatting so I don't know how effective this would be for proper conversation. EDIT: Also, I hate to be that boring guy, but: Since technically we never master a language fully, we're always learning more than one language. :P You just have to decide at what level you're ready to increase your workload. Edited by Lykeio on 27 April 2013 at 10:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6409 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 22 of 23 27 April 2013 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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this isn't just another post discussing whether you should learn two languages at the same time. same time here means "same session", as the OP is only willing to put in 30 mins a day, either for only French or together with German.
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| Talib Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6473 days ago 171 posts - 205 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (classical) Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 23 of 23 28 April 2013 at 1:50am | IP Logged | ||
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"You're reading about logic in Arabic?"
I tried learning logic on my own, but it was too difficult. Now I'm taking a class in it and it is much more manageable because the teacher helps with the translation and explains the passages. (I sent you a private message about Arabic logic.) "this isn't just another post discussing whether you should learn two languages at the same time. same time here means "same session", as the OP is only willing to put in 30 mins a day, either for only French or together with German." Yeah, it's more about whether it can be done under the 30 min. constraint. I think that many of the discussions about learning two languages at a time focus on how the two languages might get confused in speaking. Since the topic was for reading knowledge, it kind of bypasses that objection. Edited by Talib on 28 April 2013 at 2:10am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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