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renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4159 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew
| Message 9 of 13 04 June 2013 at 2:31pm | IP Logged |
I'll look around too, maybe I'll find something.
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| Γρηγόρη Tetraglot Groupie United States Joined 4256 days ago 55 posts - 154 votes Speaks: English*, Greek, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: German, French, Russian
| Message 10 of 13 04 June 2013 at 4:35pm | IP Logged |
Cabaire wrote:
Where do you find this kind of texts
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Some are available in Google books. Searches there usually work best in Roman transliteration, using a long-mark
to distinguish ε/η, ο/ω.
Τhe real treasure trove, however, is Ἀνέμη (http://anemi.lib.uoc.gr/), which has digitized many of the books in the
Univ. of Crete library.
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| Message 11 of 13 04 June 2013 at 4:48pm | IP Logged |
renaissancemedi wrote:
Does Estia still come in katharevousa? When I was taking the panellinies exams it was, and we were supposed to
read it in order to become more familiar with those types of the language.
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Ἑστία still uses the polytonic system and maintains a light veneer of καθαρεύουσα. Its current style would simply
have been regarded as καθομιλουμένη twenty or thirty years ago (use of gen. -έως in certain third decl. nouns,
preference for ὅτι over πως, consistent retention of final -ν on τὸν/τὴν/δὲν, etc., some more conservative spellings
and vocabulary choices). The puristic elements are not strong enough to be a stepping stone even to reading
simple καθαρεύουσα like Papadiamantis.
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| Message 12 of 13 04 June 2013 at 4:51pm | IP Logged |
Lykeio wrote:
Emmanuel Rhoidis (who also, IIRC, wrote a defence of demotic...in puristic)
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Whether he was following it consciously or not, he had a good precedent in Dante's Latin defense of the vernacular,
De Vulgari Eloquentia.
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| Message 13 of 13 04 June 2013 at 5:04pm | IP Logged |
Lykeio wrote:
So, yes, divorced of its idealism its actually kind of cool. ESPECIALLY when authors play with
register and have lower class people talk in almost village like dimotic. Reminiscent
of those old Sanskrit plays. I do think though generally (modern) Greek prose has came
a long way since though. But once you get over the knee jerk reaction its nice to read
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One of the reasons that I enjoy well-written katharevousa is that I find it so clear. That's probably just a
function of the fact that I learned Ancient Greek before learning Modern Greek. I agree that Modern Greek
literature has come a long way, but Demotic literature has its excesses, too. Many demotic authors, especially of
yesteryear, apply dialectical forms with just as much prescriptivist fervor as the katharevousa authors. I love
Kazantzakis, but get annoyed with all the Cretan dialectic. I enjoy that type of thing in the mouth of a character,
since it makes the character seem more real, but in the basic narration of a novel (unless the story is being
narrated in the voice of a character, it becomes tedious). Unless I'm mistaken, student editions of Kazantzakis
have to be pretty heavily annotated just to explain all the vocabulary specific to Crete.
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