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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6513 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 25 of 32 25 June 2013 at 11:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Maybe I should add that my first experiments with retranslation weren't particularly succesful, and I ascribe this to the the timelapse between doing the translation and the retranslation/recall test (it's a combination of those two) AND to the fact that doing the translation into a given language always was easier than producing a correct retranslation more or less from scratch because I had forgotten the details of the original.
I ascribe my current (and fairly recent) interest in the method to the short timelapse between the phases - the retranslation becomes manageable because I haven't forgotten the original completely, and viewing the translation makes it pop up again. I'm not sure Luca would see things in the same way, but maybe his memory is better than mine. Besides the argument about the role of the close temporal proximity also explains why I like wordlists, but not Anki or flashcards. I have written more about my experiments in my log thread, and when I have found a suitable form I'll also add a description of the technique to my language learning guide. Edited by Iversen on 25 June 2013 at 11:07am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jingwumaster Newbie United States Joined 4480 days ago 33 posts - 46 votes Speaks: English* | Message 26 of 32 25 June 2013 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks, I'm looking at your log now. I was also curious as to whether or not you would recommend using your copying and wordlist method with an Assimil book straight from the start or would you rather follow Assimil's instructions. I have Assimil: German with Ease, but am trying to determine how I am going to use it before I start. Thanks.
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| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6513 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 27 of 32 26 June 2013 at 10:03am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't know what Assimil's instructions are, but I would never feel that I had to comply with the instructions in any learning material. For me the advantage of learning materials like Teach Yourself, Colloquial something etc. is that you get some very easy texts and recordings to work with during your first hard time with a new language, and going through the materials to see 'what there is to learn' is also a good idea. But if you don't like the texts or drills then you will learn less from them.
Personally I try to have a series of well-tested general methods ready for use so that I don't have to invent the wheel again and again. On the other you should sometimes try variations in the methods to hone them until they fit you like a glove. But any method can be used on different kinds of materials, and for me courseware is more like a storehouse for easy study materials than a reservoir for methods. Edited by Iversen on 26 June 2013 at 10:49am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4517 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 28 of 32 26 June 2013 at 10:29am | IP Logged | |||||
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The advantage of Assimil is that it has in-house translations which are sometimes even
hyperliteral (especially if the language diverges strongly from the TL). In Chinese and Hebrew this is consistently done because of their divergent structures from French. Furthermore the translating back stage to TL is the active wave stage - the translating to base language is the passive wave. I personally used wordlists to study Le Breton but found it inefficient - I have used Anki to greater success. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jingwumaster Newbie United States Joined 4480 days ago 33 posts - 46 votes Speaks: English* | Message 29 of 32 26 June 2013 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Cool, I think I'll try to use the methods that's been talked about in this thread with Assimil and see if it works well for me. Thanks.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6407 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 30 of 32 26 June 2013 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| jingwumaster Newbie United States Joined 4480 days ago 33 posts - 46 votes Speaks: English* | Message 31 of 32 27 June 2013 at 4:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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I know this is off topic but I have been thinking about upgrading my membership on this site. To others that have, have you found it worth it? Has your experience on this site improved in some way for doing so?
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4517 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 32 of 32 27 June 2013 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
Indeed, the Romanian booklet uses very little hyperliteral correcting. Mostly because it's not necessary, and also because in those instances where it is, the booklet explains that construction well. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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