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| winters Trilingual Heptaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6840 days ago 199 posts - 218 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, Serbian*, Russian*, English, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, French, Hungarian | Message 9 of 47 14 August 2006 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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Those are not the same language, when considering the historical development of them, especially of Croatian. In order to discuss this, you must not only be familiar with CURRENT languages, but also with history behind them.
Then you will understand why do people like me constantly insist on the fact that Croatian and Serbian are NOT the same languages. It depends what do you mean under "Croatian". If you mean current standardised (i)jekavica (which the MINORITY of Croats speaks as their primary dialect!), then I would argue that that and standard Serbian could be considered variants of one language, but ONLY in their present forms, and ONLY because they used to be united for political reasons. I can actually speak them both (and I mean, I really actually speak Serbian, read books in it, have penpals with whom I use Serbian and cyrillic), and the more I study older Serbian poetry (and thus also development of the language), the more I realise that it is superficial to claim that they are one language before knowing history and development of both of them. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Magnum Bilingual Triglot Retired Moderator Pro Member United States Joined 6913 days ago 359 posts - 353 votes Speaks: English*, Serbian*, French Studies: German Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 47 14 August 2006 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | ||
England and the United States have a different history. Yet the language is the same, English. There is different slang, different accents, but the language is the same. I doubt anyone would claim that England has a different language than the United States. The same is true for Serbian and Croatian. I am Serbian, yet I can read and understand all Croatian newspapers, to me it is the same as Serbain. It is the same with speech. The only difference I see is Serbs pushing to using the cyrillic alphabet more, and Croats using the Latin alphabet. That is where future differences will come from. Edited by Magnum on 14 August 2006 at 5:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nox Diglot Groupie Croatia Joined 6657 days ago 62 posts - 62 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English Studies: German | Message 11 of 47 15 August 2006 at 6:59am | IP Logged | ||
Of course those languages have different history and evolution, but what we are discussing about is the current situation! I'm aware that those languages were much different in the past. Not so long time ago, on Korčula, the island accros my peninsula (Pelješac) some villages couldn't understand each other speaking.. Today Korčula has the specific accent too, but at least we can understand them (though there are still some idiomatic expressions that i hand't pick up yet..). This is just an example of different backgrounds. Coastal part of Croatia was influenced by Italians, and the continental part by Germans, Austians and Hungarians.. Later, during Yugoslavia and 'unity and brotherhood' (good translation?), with the help of radio and TV, language bacame almost the same. Now we can finally understand, say, Istrians and Montenegrians.. If Swiss-German is considered as just a dialect of German, then BCMS are the same language. We could dig through something written long time ago, bout it would lead us nowhere. Just out of curiosity - How would you (anyone who's reading this) name 'the' language? Edited by nox on 15 August 2006 at 7:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| winters Trilingual Heptaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6840 days ago 199 posts - 218 votes Speaks: Croatian*, Serbian*, Russian*, English, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, French, Hungarian | Message 12 of 47 15 August 2006 at 7:38am | IP Logged | ||
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I usually use the term "srednjejužnoslavenski, tj.kompleks hrvatskog, srpskog, bosanskog i crnogorskog" (middle-sout-slavic, i.e.the complex of Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and Montenegrin) when speaking of this problematics.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6952 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 13 of 47 15 August 2006 at 8:08am | IP Logged | ||
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I would designate it as Balkan Slavonic or Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS).
Of course, I acknowledge the existence of dialects and for convenience group them based on their combination of kajkavski/cakavski/stokavski + (i)jekavski/ekavski. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6952 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 14 of 47 15 August 2006 at 8:09am | IP Logged | ||
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Central or Middle Southern Slavonic isn't bad either, but it's a little long for me.
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| WFU03 Groupie Norway Joined 6471 days ago 62 posts - 70 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian, French | Message 15 of 47 16 August 2006 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Since I recently returned from a vacation in Croatia and Slovenia...
How different is Slovenian from Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| winters Trilingual Heptaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6840 days ago 199 posts - 218 votes Speaks: Croatian*, Serbian*, Russian*, English, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek, French, Hungarian | Message 16 of 47 20 August 2006 at 6:31am | IP Logged | ||
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Slovenian is very similar to a Croatian dialect called kajkavski. Other than that, it is different from BCS as any other South Slavic language, I would say.
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