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| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4357 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes  Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 57 of 69 03 October 2013 at 2:33pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you for that explanation. Yes, songs have helped me out remember tons of words and phrases. I'll give it another try, more carefully this time, because (to answer your question) I never went beyond blind shadowing.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 58 of 69 03 October 2013 at 3:37pm | IP Logged |
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While I agree with Retinend's basic statement above, I'd have to quibble with "Despite the fact that it sounds like hocus
pocus compared with well-established learning methods, shadowing is nothing more than a regime of repetition. All the successful methods are." There is an element of repetition involved, but I think there is more than repetition going on here. I'd recommend to renaissancemedi to try to explore exactly what Professor Arguelles says about it, both in his various videos, and in old postings that you may be able to find here on HTLAL. Although I'd known that the Prof used to regularly post here (and was a moderator, and I suppose technically still is), it's only recently that I realised that he was active here during the time he made those shadowing videos, and the later ones were made partly in response to feedback that he got here. As you are a non-Pro, non-moderator here, you won't have the full power of the search facility (that's actually the main benefit of Pro membership), so I will try to post some links that may be helpful (or you may find some from me earlier in this thread). Try this one for a start: Shadowing demonstration video It starts on 10 March 2008. Note that he used to be known as Ardaschir on here, so if you see any references to that name, it refers to the Prof. If I find any other relevant ones, I will try to remember to post links to them here. And just for completeness, his own list, from his website, of his videos: VIDEOS ABOUT FOREIGN LANGUAGES AND FOREIGN LANGUAGE LEARNING and the three shadowing ones: Shadowing a Foreign Language: Demonstration of Technique Shadowing Discussed Shadowing Step by Step It's worth watching the Accent Formation series as well (among others). Edited by montmorency on 03 October 2013 at 3:39pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4357 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 59 of 69 03 October 2013 at 5:52pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you so very much! I will certainly look into all of these links, and everything else I can find.
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| Jamopy Newbie EnglandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4579 days ago 26 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 60 of 69 15 October 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged |
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Further to earlier posts, i found this on librivox:
http://librivox.org/ja-och-nej-by-helena-nyblom/ Which is a series of 30 min Swedish fairy tales with the texts available for download. I tried out the first one a few days ago, and i'll work my way through them in rotation a few times before i read the text alongside. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4307 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 61 of 69 16 October 2013 at 1:02pm | IP Logged |
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I have used librivox too for German shadowing resources. Once you've worked with
explicitly didactic material (Assimil etc.) you can use anything so long as you have a text and it's translation and a recording of it by the native speaker. For well-known, old literature it's likely that someone will have made an audio version. Also, if you're very good friends with a native speaker, and you own a microphone (e.g. a webcam) you can even ask them to read the text for you! Or just advertise around a university campus and pay someone a small amount to do it for you (I haven't tried this one but I'm sure it would work). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 62 of 69 16 October 2013 at 5:06pm | IP Logged |
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I was recently reading an article on interpretation where the use of shadowing was recommended for interpreters seeking to make a C language into a B language, ie. make a language they only interpret out of -- but understand completely -- into a language they control well enough to interpret into. The specific skills shadowing was supposed to help with, in this case, was the ability to listen to a message while formulating that message in the B or C language at native-speaker speed. I think this would indeed be a very efficient way to identify any shortcomings in that target language.
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6908 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 63 of 69 16 October 2013 at 5:35pm | IP Logged |
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Here's a playlist full of "Interpreter training" clips to shadow (text included):
English Shadowing Training (I think someone with a decent level of English should be able to shadow this word-for-word in real time without looking at the screen) Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 16 October 2013 at 5:41pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 64 of 69 16 October 2013 at 7:58pm | IP Logged |
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For any non-native speakers who may not immediately recognise it, that's an American
accent in that shadowing video playlist. I myself would have trouble shadowing it, unless I was attempting to teach myself to speak with an American accent. Not in understanding it, of course, but there would be a kind of cognitive dissonance in my failure to match the speaker's pronunciation with my own normal pronunciation. (Especially as she sounds a bit like a Valley Girl! :-) ) Anyone seeking to sound like RP English, should find an RP English source. Edited by montmorency on 16 October 2013 at 8:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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