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Clugston challenges polyglots to debate

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Poll Question: Would you like to see a debate between these polyglots?
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Irish_Goon
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 Message 41 of 132
28 September 2013 at 4:27pm | IP Logged 
beano wrote:
What languages does Clugston actually speak? He seems to spend his time criticising other people's
methods. Who cares if Steve Kaufmann and Benny Lewis are selling books? Nobody is forced to buy
them...it's a free market.

Clugston also seems to think that's it's a waste of time to learn languages that are not spoken in your
particular area of the world. Isn't that the whole point of the Internet, that you can access almost any
language from any part of the globe?


Which seems to directly conflict with "field linguistics."
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Maralol
Nonaglot
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France
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35 posts - 75 votes 
Speaks: Spanish, French*, English, German, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, Portuguese, Catalan
Studies: Polish, Danish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese

 
 Message 42 of 132
28 September 2013 at 5:33pm | IP Logged 
He seems to know a bit of Spanish and French.
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KidRoberts
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19 posts - 27 votes
Speaks: English*
Studies: Afrikaans

 
 Message 43 of 132
28 September 2013 at 6:09pm | IP Logged 
He looks like he knows Thai too? He was correcting Moses on something.
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wber
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Studies: Vietnamese, French

 
 Message 44 of 132
28 September 2013 at 6:18pm | IP Logged 
First, this guy is a total douche. Second, he keeps propping up his credentials about "studying a language" to try to dismiss other people's opinions since he thinks because he has "studied a language in an academic way" it makes him smarter than everyone else. No it does not. You cannot study a language. You have to experience it. Yes, that does encompass studying but up to a point but it doesn't matter when you're out there and can't to relate to the people. Also,a lot of native speakers haven't truly "studied their language" but has that made them incompetent or unsuccessful in any way in communicating in that language, do they struggle wading through the different registers of that language, all its complications,cultural inferences, and subtexts? Probably not.      

Also, there are language, where ethnicity and nationality are strongly tied to each other ( Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese etc..) In these languages, I'm going to be blunt but unless you look the part, no matter how fluently you speak the language, you will always be considered an outsider and thus a huge part of the language and its social intricacies will always be excluded from you. Thus a whole linguistic field is blocked of from you while a poor illiterate farmer who is considered an insider will have more access, knowledge and experience with it even if he couldn't care less about it.


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Fuenf_Katzen
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Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans

 
 Message 45 of 132
28 September 2013 at 6:36pm | IP Logged 
As entertaining as it was to waste some time watching his videos, I think I probably wouldn't want to see the fallout of a debate!
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beano
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 Message 46 of 132
28 September 2013 at 7:03pm | IP Logged 
Kaufmann and Lewis might not be everyone's cup of tea but they have achieved considerable success in a
large number of languages....no mean feat whatever way you look at it. These are guys you can learn from.
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KidRoberts
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 Message 47 of 132
28 September 2013 at 7:25pm | IP Logged 
beano wrote:
Kaufmann and Lewis might not be everyone's cup of tea but they have
achieved considerable success in a
large number of languages....no mean feat whatever way you look at it. These are guys you
can learn from.


I don't agree with everything they say, but they're both insanely encouraging. I watched
this guy's video about language learning (or something) yesterday, and I wanted to hide
in a dimly lit room.
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Retinend
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Speaks: English*, German, Spanish
Studies: Arabic (Written), French

 
 Message 48 of 132
28 September 2013 at 8:32pm | IP Logged 
Clugston seems to be implying that he's used his skills as a field linguist to learn at
least one undocumented language. So proving his superiority. But he never gives any
details about this rightfully impressive feat.


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