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jeff_lindqvist
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 Message 1 of 12
02 January 2014 at 12:51am | IP Logged 
So, I decided to join another TAC, this time with Dutch in mind.

About a year ago, I mentioned some resources of mine:
* Nederlands for buitenlanders (textbook, two CDs with audio, plus a CD-rom I haven't yet had a look at)
* Van Dale Pocketwoordenboek Nederlands-Engels
* Engels - Nederlands
* an early edition of Dutch: an essential grammar
* plus the bonus - Supergezonde Soepen

(I got everything second-hand for 325 SEK.)

I've had another Dutch grammar (in Swedish) for a long time (somewhere...), and the library has a more recent one as well.

I also have two other dictionaries:
Engels-Nederlands (Prisma)
Nederlands-Engels (Prisma)

And two booklets with 25 lessons each, they're called "Nederlands - Familie van Dijk, Eerste deel" and "...Tweede deel". Entirely monolingual, and apparently published by the Dutch section of the German department at the Stockholm University. Probably some decades ago.

Current skills:
Passive understanding of very basic texts and audio, especially when the vocabulary and sentence structure is very similar to either German or the Scandinavian languages.

Immediate goals:
Finish Nederlands for buitenlanders (and maybe the Familie van Dijk booklets)

Long-term goals:
Become functional in the language!

Methods:
Shadowing/scriptorium the Arguelles way. I had the first lesson on repeat and blind-shadowed it for ~15 minutes earlier today.
Writing short monologues in my log.
Text-chatting (when I have enough vocabulary).
Reading. The library carries a handful of novels plus a few children's books, I think. Then there is this thing called the Internet.

I haven't yet decided if I'll use Anki.

Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 02 January 2014 at 1:24am

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Hekje
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 Message 2 of 12
02 January 2014 at 7:38pm | IP Logged 
Veel succes met je Nederlands! Ik ben blij dat je in ons team zit. :-)

Good luck with your Dutch! I'm glad you're on our team.
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jeff_lindqvist
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 Message 3 of 12
03 January 2014 at 12:52am | IP Logged 
Thanks for stopping by, Hekje!

The lessons in "Nederlands voor buitenlanders" aren't translated, so I can't "thumb" the texts as Arguelles suggests. However, there is a multi-lingual word list next to each lesson (Dutch, English, French, German, Turkish, Arabic). Today I've blind-shadowed lesson 2 and had a look at the English vocabulary from lesson 1. I've also skimmed the first chapter in "Nederländsk grammatik" (Jaap de Roy & Ingrid Wikén Bonde), sounds and letters.
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 Message 4 of 12
04 January 2014 at 1:05am | IP Logged 
I browsed the library for something to read, but found only three books: one tome by Umberto Eco ("De slinger van Foucault" - way above my level), one book by Anna Jansson ("Midwinteroffer" - funnily enough, she's a writer from my area but I didn't feel like reading that, let alone in a target language); and finally a thin leaflet (at least it looked that way) about Swedes ("Over Zweden")... Mission failed. There is one by Paolo Coelho ("De heks van Portobello"), available in a week. Maybe I'll work with that one.

Another 15-minute session of shadowing today:
Lesson 1 English->Nederlands
Lesson 2 English
Lesson 3 -

Another 30 minutes with the grammar book: Articles, Nouns and Adjectives. I don't memorize anything at this stage.
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 Message 5 of 12
10 January 2014 at 12:46am | IP Logged 
Summary of the last few days:
Daily shadowing the Arguelles way, meaning that I add a new lesson of blind-shadowing as I increase the reading level of an older one.

Day 4
Lesson 1 Nederlands->English
Lesson 2 English->Nederlands
Lesson 3 English
Lesson 4 -

Day 5
Lesson 1 Nederlands
Lesson 2 Nederlands->English
Lesson 3 English->Nederlands
Lesson 4 English
Lesson 5 -

Day 6
Lesson 2 Nederlands
Lesson 3 Nederlands->English
Lesson 4 English-Nederlands
Lesson 5 English
Lesson 6 -

Day 7
Lesson 3 Nederlands
Lesson 4 Nederlands->English
Lesson 5 English-Nederlands
Lesson 6 English
Lesson 7 -

Day 8
Lesson 4 Nederlands
Lesson 5 Nederlands->English
Lesson 6 English-Nederlands
Lesson 7 English
Lesson 8 -

Day 9
Lesson 5 Nederlands
Lesson 6 Nederlands->English
Lesson 7 English-Nederlands
Lesson 8 English
Lesson 9 -

A couple of days ago I started reading about numbers and pronouns in my grammar book (~15 minutes), and today I finished the chapter about pronouns (another 15 minutes).

Almost any grammar example so far is very transparent.
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 Message 6 of 12
20 January 2014 at 12:59am | IP Logged 
Study report

More shadowing.

Day 10
Lesson 6 Nederlands
Lesson 7 Nederlands->English
Lesson 8 English-Nederlands
Lesson 9 English
Lesson 10 -

I finished reading (skimming) the chapters on verbs and syntax in my grammar book. ~15 minutes.

Day 11
Lesson 7 Nederlands
Lesson 8 Nederlands->English
Lesson 9 English-Nederlands
Lesson 10 English
Lesson 11 -

Day 12
Lesson 8 Nederlands
Lesson 9 Nederlands->English
Lesson 10 English-Nederlands
Lesson 11 English
Lesson 12 -

Day 13
Lesson 9 Nederlands
Lesson 10 Nederlands->English
Lesson 11 English-Nederlands
Lesson 12 English
Lesson 13 -

Day 14
Lesson 10 Nederlands
Lesson 11 Nederlands->English
Lesson 12 English-Nederlands
Lesson 13 English
Lesson 14 -

Day 11
Lesson 11 Nederlands
Lesson 12 Nederlands->English
Lesson 13 English-Nederlands
Lesson 14 English
Lesson 15 -

Day 16
Lesson 12 Nederlands
Lesson 13 Nederlands->English
Lesson 14 English-Nederlands
Lesson 15 English
Lesson 16 -

Day 17
Lesson 13 Nederlands
Lesson 14 Nederlands->English
Lesson 15 English-Nederlands
Lesson 16 English
Lesson 17 -

Day 18
Lesson 14 Nederlands
Lesson 15 Nederlands->English
Lesson 16 English-Nederlands
Lesson 17 English
Lesson 18 -

Plus 30 minutes of reading, "Over Zweden" (~25 pages).

Day 19
Lesson 15 Nederlands
Lesson 16 Nederlands->English
Lesson 17 English-Nederlands
Lesson 18 English
Lesson 19 -

I did some shadowing with this material when I first got it over a year ago. I also did some scriptorium back then (up to lesson 23, I think). Then I put the material away until the beginning of this TAC. But, while I haven't done anything with Dutch since Nov/Dec 2012 (!), I still understand a great deal when I study (or rather: review) the lessons again.

I will keep doing this shadowing and pick up the scriptorium where I left it over a year ago, which means I will start copying written Dutch in less than a week.
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Kez
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 Message 7 of 12
28 January 2014 at 10:58am | IP Logged 
Hey Jeff!

Ik zie dat het goed voor je gaat! Ik ga je log zeker volgen aangezien ik benieuwd ben
hoe snel je de Nederlandse taal oppakt. Met mijn Zweedse studies had ik op een gegeven
moment een soort 'klik' en werd het steeds makkelijker om dingen te snappen. Ben
benieuwd of het ook zo is als je als Zweed Nederlands leert :)

Succes!

***
I see it goes well for you! I'm surely going to follow your log since i'm really
interested in how fast you will pick up the Dutch language. At one point I had some
kind of 'click' with my Swedish studies en everything just slowly got easier to
understand. I'm curious if it also happens when you learn Dutch as a Swede :)

Good luck!
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Hekje
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 Message 8 of 12
28 January 2014 at 5:19pm | IP Logged 
Hey Jeff, I'm very impressed by your diligence. That's a lot of shadowing and reading! I'm curious: what's your
preferred time of day to study?


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