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| Penelope Diglot Senior Member Greece Joined 3663 days ago 110 posts - 155 votes  Speaks: English, French Studies: Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 9 of 63 06 May 2014 at 8:01am | IP Logged |
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I generally hate learning the subjunctive, but now that I learn turkish I almost miss subordinate clauses. Although after I learn turkish I think I will enjoy not having to deal with the subjunctive for once!
There is also a certain french accent that I find awful. The -e in the end, when they pronounce it very strongly. I am not sure how to decribe it. Greek, like Italian, also uses the double negation thing: δεν είναι κανείς, there is (not) noone. I don't find it strange though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4047 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 10 of 63 06 May 2014 at 8:40am | IP Logged |
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I really don't like it when languages have separate case endings for singular and plural forms of the same case instead of just having plural-marker + case-marker as Finnish does. Estonian lost this in almost all of its grammatical cases so when the Finnish partitive always ends in a/ä, in Estonian it can be marked with a, e, i, id or sid. Most words actually have several possible ones. For example "koeri" could also be "koersid".
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6950 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 11 of 63 06 May 2014 at 5:49pm | IP Logged |
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I wouldn't say that I can't stand the alternations in Northern Saami inflection (i.e. both vowel alternations and consonant gradation), but I've been frustrated by the burden they put on me and would certainly have found learning the language less of a chore if they had been less elaborate. It's not so much the idea of alternations (cf. difference in 't' in rate and rated or the change in the vowel of sing vs. sang) but the volume of them - a bit like dealing with several dozen rules in taxation law with each rule being valid given a certain condition)
Here's are tables of the possibilities for consonant gradation and here and here for diphthong changes in Northern Saami inflection. On a related note, see Change a language today! for what we would like to change in languages that we use or study (presumably because we find these items troublesome to acquire or off-putting for whatever reason). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 3826 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese | Message 12 of 63 06 May 2014 at 6:55pm | IP Logged |
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Lack of TV or plurality in pronouns, heavy smoothing over (no to be perfect or worth passive), heinous spelling, lack of productive word formation using native roots (rerun? why not eftrun or edrun?) German: Weird word order, but otherwise one of the healthiest languages I know. Thai: Very "bare bones": no difference between wh-words and indefinite pronouns for example; adjectives, adverbs, prepositions, and verbs function are the same. Entire sentences are filled with grey areas requiring context. "I go shop big john take bag buy food no able buy John fast very very" is a literal translation of a normal sentence. "I went to a big shop belonging to John with a bag but I wasn't able to buy from John quickly" Cantonese: A bit better than Thai, some better distinctions and less is left to context. Healthy language like German. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6391 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 13 of 63 06 May 2014 at 7:52pm | IP Logged |
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It's very disturbing how you single out the languages that "please" you as healthy.
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5022 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 14 of 63 06 May 2014 at 8:34pm | IP Logged |
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Please. If you find that "very disturbing," Serpent, then the Internet's not the place for you. Nothing sidetracks a thread like a moan.
Stolan can answer him or herself, but I think it's fairly obvious he/she means "healthy" as a synonym for "precise." So a language with a T/V distinction beats one without it. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 3826 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese | Message 15 of 63 06 May 2014 at 9:33pm | IP Logged |
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Healthy as in well balanced, Maori is healthy yet one of the easiest languages I know of.
2 Serpent Have you studied a Southeast Asian language? I do not take ones such as Lahu or Akha (ergative particles!) into account. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isan_language#Grammar Word order is very free and possession is often done just be placing a word next to another, plurality is left out in pronouns if context permits, so do tense/aspect particles. There is tons of ambiguity in speech. These languages are best described as "economical, just what is needed to be understood": http://www.sprachforschung.uni- wuppertal.de/fileadmin/linguistik/rathert/Kolloquien/WS12_13 /VortragBisang.pdf Edited by Stolan on 06 May 2014 at 9:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5022 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 16 of 63 06 May 2014 at 9:39pm | IP Logged |
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No idea what that means. What's being balanced?
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