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| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4434 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 9 of 21 26 September 2014 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Another beginners series you can watch is "Extr@ Spanish". It's on youtube and is very
fun, though sadly there are only 13 episodes. "Casados Con Hijos", an Argentinan adaptation of the sitcom "Married With Children", has lots of episodes on youtube and is hilarious in its way. It's also pretty easy to work out the plot without understanding everything they're saying. Edited by AlexTG on 28 September 2014 at 8:28am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4705 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 10 of 21 27 September 2014 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's not the way I read the thread. I read three posts that said it was okay to use English subs if needed (jeff_lindqvist, iguanamon & AlexTG), and two posts saying avoid them (Cavesa & patrickwilken). I would add my voice to those who support English subs if needed, mainly because (as AlexTG says) you want to keep your experience as enjoyable as possible. However, if you can find something with Spanish audio and pretty exact Spanish subtitles, then that is a good option. But in my experience, closely matching TL subtitles are hard to find. I'm not sure why people are so against English audio with Spanish subtitles. Listening in your target language while reading in your native language is used for L/R and it's part of using Assimil. It's not a combination I use, but I know that Solfrid_Cristin, for example, does some of her Russian learning using Russian subs without Russian audio. It enables her to keep learning Russian while watching a film with her children. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4329 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 11 of 21 27 September 2014 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
I guess it just depends on what you want to achieve. I watch TV/movies to hear my L2 spoken. I find subtitles in my L1 just confusing, and find it interferes to with me thinking in my L2. If you can find matching subs to speech in your L2 that can be useful, but I really enjoy forcing myself to have to listen very closely to the speech alone. Not having the subtitles on makes me concentrate very closely to what is being said. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6393 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 12 of 21 28 September 2014 at 2:59am | IP Logged | |||||
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Dealing with subtitles and dubbing are acquired skills. I never pay much attention when the dubbing doesn't match the way the person's mouth moves, those who routinely watch tv with L1 subtitles can easily ignore them when they are not needed. It's always easier just to listen than to read all the subtitles and risk missing out on the visual part. It's all about what you are used to and what you consider worth getting used to (for example if you're interested in exploring the movies in languages you don't speak/learn).
patrickwilken is in an immersion situation. most of us aren't. BTW I second the recommendation of Destinos. It's a series for learners that gets progressively more difficult as it builds on what you've learned before. There are several "revision episodes" with lots of flashbacks to consolidate the previous material, so don't worry if you miss some things. Also, it should be easy enough to watch without the subtitles. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4329 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 13 of 21 28 September 2014 at 11:12am | IP Logged | |||||
I not sure how that is relevant to my finding subtitles in my L1 distracting, when I am trying to concentrate on speech in my L2. It's just a personal preference isn't it? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6705 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 21 28 September 2014 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
Different beasts. L/R and Assimil both use the target language audio - usually another language than English. Imagine doing an Assimil course with English audio while reading Spanish. (I'm not against listening to English and reading Spanish if Spanish is your native tongue and you're learning English.) However, there are situations where I could enjoy native audio/target subtitles - as the example I mentioned, watching wild life programs with an English narrator and target language subtitles, but that would be my last choice. Whatever the combination, target language audio always has the top priority. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4705 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 15 of 21 28 September 2014 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You're correct about Assimil, but as I understand it "classic L/R" goes both ways: native audio + TL text and TL audio + native text. Anyway, for me as with you, TL subtitles with English audio would be my last choice. But I wouldn't rule it out for someone else.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6393 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 21 28 September 2014 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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