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| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3894 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 9 of 21 15 April 2015 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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No, obviously you didn't. If you had said it I wouldn't have had to ask.
My question still stands. If someone who speaks "perfect Italian" doesn't come off as native, because native Italians have distinct accents, does a native Italian without a distinct/with a jumbled accent come off as non-native? If not, what is it the native Italian whose accent is all over the place does differently from the foreigner with "perfect Italian" whose accent is equally not perfectly calibrated to a very specific location? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| nikolic993 Diglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 3575 days ago 106 posts - 205 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English Studies: Italian, Mandarin, Romanian, Persian | Message 10 of 21 15 April 2015 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Edited by nikolic993 on 15 April 2015 at 2:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3894 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 11 of 21 15 April 2015 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Perhaps it is just me, but I don't understand someone whose prosody is off to speak "perfect" anything (which was the case in one of the examples), and I don't understand the problem to be general inability to grasp the prosody when the discussion is about regional accents and how Italy's myriad of accents make it impossible for foreigners to "pass". Hence my question. In my native Swedish, prosody and accent varies from region to region, but that does not make it impossible to "pass", though many choose not to make the effort. The accent is rarely the issue, because we have people with strange mixed prosody and mixed accents who tend to get the question "you have an odd accent, which part of Sweden are you from?" rather than "you have an odd accent, which country are you from?" I should add that I'm asking out of curiosity and because I don't quite understand how the number of accents connect with failure to pass despite speaking "perfectly". I have no intent of personally becoming an advanced speaker of Italian, much less pass for a native. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| OCCASVS Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6438 days ago 134 posts - 140 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Italian*, English, French, Polish | Message 12 of 21 17 April 2015 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think we are generally aware of the different accents in Italy.
Anyone would be able to label it as Northern/Central/Southern/Sicilian/Sardinian. Thus, anything that can't fall in these categories is by default "foreign". 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3894 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 13 of 21 17 April 2015 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
In your opinion then: yes, a native Italian who moved around a lot within Italy might well be taken for a foreigner? Edited by eyðimörk on 17 April 2015 at 2:17pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| OCCASVS Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6438 days ago 134 posts - 140 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Italian*, English, French, Polish | Message 14 of 21 17 April 2015 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Not really. Possibly, it would be more difficult to identify their accent, but the prosody and the intonation would still sound "native". 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| michaelyus Diglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4360 days ago 53 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: Italian, French, Cantonese, Korean, Catalan, Vietnamese, Lingala, Spanish Studies: Hokkien | Message 15 of 21 17 April 2015 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Although my Italian is not quite up to the level where I can distinguish accents
with any precision (I can just about do north vs south, whereas I am yet to successfully place central, unless they have the gorgia), accent and dialect mixing for a person acquainted with the varieties is quite easy to detect. I'd imagine native speakers with enough exposure to a range would be able to pick apart e.g. someone whose family is from Campania but grew up in Lombardy. This is certainly case for e.g. speakers of regionally accented but "Standard" Mandarin, usually most pronounced when the transition happens before or during 中学 (middle school = secondary school = junior high). FWIW, I've only been to the settentrionale regions, and apart from the diction of opera singers, almost all regular contact in Italian has been with Padovans. Hence the Veneto slant to my accent is noticeable, and absorbed entirely subconsciously from my interlocutori, despite the dominant hue being (southern) British English prosody. Edited by michaelyus on 17 April 2015 at 2:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4463 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 21 18 April 2015 at 12:21am | IP Logged | |||||
It presented no problem at all to Nina Moric ;) She often get complements on her Italian from her co-workers (famous Italians). Of course, her Italian can never be perfect* because she pronounces all R's uvular [erre moscia] nor her native Croatian can ever be perfect since this sound is totally alien to phonetics of Croatian. --- *except in parts of Piedmont Edited by Medulin on 18 April 2015 at 12:42am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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