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| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 1 of 12 24 June 2015 at 1:15am | IP Logged | ||
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Is anyone familiar with this audiobook? I guess it's about the specifics of the German language, all in German; I'd like to know what others thought about it before I invest in it.
And while we're at it... What does the title mean? "The dative is the (his?) death to the Genitive?" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Speakeasy Senior Member Canada Joined 3846 days ago 507 posts - 1098 votes Studies: German | Message 2 of 12 24 June 2015 at 1:30am | IP Logged | ||
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I am not familiar with the book. However, I am under the impression that, in certain formulations, the Dative case is slowly replacing the Genetive case, hence the title of the book. Here's the Wikipedia version not to mention the YouTube version.
For example, ENGLISH: Do you see the young women over there? That's my sister's daughter. GERMAN DATIVE: Sehen Sie die junge Frau dort drüben? Das ist die Tochter von meiner Schwester. GERMAN GENETIVE: Sehen Sie die junge Frau dort drüben? Das ist die Tochter meiner Schwester. Edited by Speakeasy on 24 June 2015 at 1:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5350 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 3 of 12 24 June 2015 at 2:23am | IP Logged | ||
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Herr Sick's Zwiebelfisch column makes for fun reading. Here's one of my favourite Zwiebelfische from his show linked above:
"Sonderangebot 1 Pizza bestellen 2 bezahlen" Ein günstiges Angebot! :D Edited by Teango on 24 June 2015 at 2:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 4 of 12 24 June 2015 at 2:43am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks guys, I'm familiar with the concept of the genitive giving way to the von + dative structure, I just don't fully understand the actual title (literal translation).
I've been meaning to start getting into reading full-native materials more but find standard news (at this point) to be too dry and wordy; that column looks like it'd make for fun reading though, thanks for that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4028 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 5 of 12 24 June 2015 at 3:54am | IP Logged | ||
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I only read the comments to the book, I know it's not just about Dative VS Genitive, but there were also comments that this is for really advanced learners. Still downloaded it, hehe, but I don't dare to try to listen just yet.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4501 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 6 of 12 24 June 2015 at 4:51am | IP Logged | ||
The dative is the genitive's death, and it is used because the genitive case is on its way out and being replaced by the von + dative construction in German. This is a general trend in the western continental Germanic languages, and in Dutch it is already pretty much complete. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5114 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 7 of 12 24 June 2015 at 6:43am | IP Logged | ||
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@soclydeza85: "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv" sein Tod is similar to English popular grammar books such as Woe is me and Eats, Shoots & Leaves.
I.e., it's not only about the incorrect use of the Dative. The title is somewhat of an inside joke, because it's a prime example of incorrect German usage. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| dhoeffer Pentaglot Newbie Netherlands enoent.org Joined 3267 days ago 14 posts - 23 votes Speaks: Italian, German*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 8 of 12 24 June 2015 at 7:09am | IP Logged | ||
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My impression skimming through it was that it's mostly appealing to the popular sentiment
that Our Beautiful Language Is Being Destroyed By Barbaric Usage, which is not a notion I find interesting. I guess you could learn some actual real life German by using the expressions the author denounces. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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