leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 185 of 194 23 November 2007 at 8:49am | IP Logged |
remush wrote:
Art07 wrote:
In my country in April 2007 it tried to impose the compulsory teaching of Esperanto in all the schools of Russia. And now we go to numbers of 400 Russian Esperantists who tried to impose their hobby on 140mln Russians. How do you call this? I call it a destructive practice. |
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It would be much cheaper to recommend Esperanto than to switch riding from left to right.
I understand that there are situations which require some coordination.
It is useless for Russian to lose 6 months of their precious time to reach level 7, if Chinese do not do the same.
Why don't you try and coordinate with them?
That's the emerging economy and you are closer.
All what Esperantists can do is: prove that Esperanto is working perfectly well as second language.
Nobody is forced to learn Esperanto to level 6.
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And how is this realted to chess? You lost me...
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remush Tetraglot Groupie Belgium remush.beRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6269 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: French*, Esperanto, English, Dutch Studies: German, Polish
| Message 186 of 194 23 November 2007 at 1:58pm | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
And how is this related to chess? You lost me... |
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You didn't quote right. I suppose you were referring to a previous message.
OK. I'll expand a little...
Do you consider that somebody who knowns the rules of GO is a GO player?
If yes, there are many Go players in the world, and anybody is potentially a GO player, because he could learn the rules in 5 minutes.
You would agree that knowing the rules of GO is not sufficient to be considered as a GO player.
It would be wiser to define competence levels and put players in categories in which they can compete with people at their level.
So, asking how many Go players there are is stupid. One must ask how many are registered at a certain level.
There is no world registration for Esperanto speakers, nor for English, nor for Go or Chess Players.
The people playing in clubs are a minority compared with those playing outside.
The analogy between Go and Chess is even more interesting.
The rules of Go are simpler than those of Chess.
Does that mean that the Go game must necessarily be reserved to retarded people?
Think about it:
Esperanto rules are simpler than English (or other languages).
Does it mean that the language is inferior?
As a japanese playing GO and knowing about Chess you would probably answer: on the contrary.
(Those who don't play Go nor Chess, unfortunately, cannot understand the previous message)
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Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6471 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese
| Message 187 of 194 23 November 2007 at 2:10pm | IP Logged |
I love Go. Chuck and I will again be teaching Go and hosting a Go tournament at the Internacia Seminario. Are you coming?
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remush Tetraglot Groupie Belgium remush.beRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6269 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: French*, Esperanto, English, Dutch Studies: German, Polish
| Message 188 of 194 23 November 2007 at 3:34pm | IP Logged |
BedaĆrinde ne. Mi festas familie la kristnaskon kaj novjaron.
Je alia okazo... espereble.
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 189 of 194 23 November 2007 at 10:59pm | IP Logged |
remush wrote:
Does that mean that the Go game must necessarily be reserved to retarded people?. |
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Could we avoid this kind of thing please?
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remush Tetraglot Groupie Belgium remush.beRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6269 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: French*, Esperanto, English, Dutch Studies: German, Polish
| Message 190 of 194 24 November 2007 at 2:26am | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
remush wrote:
Does that mean that the Go game must necessarily be reserved to retarded people?. |
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Could we avoid this kind of thing please? |
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I think you misunderstood something. Please read again with your mind set in the reverse direction. It will make sense.
No need to apologize.
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 191 of 194 24 November 2007 at 2:53am | IP Logged |
I humbly request that the admins remove the thoughtless comments that I pointed out above.
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jirpy100 Diglot Newbie South Africa Joined 6263 days ago 31 posts - 32 votes Speaks: Afrikaans*, English Studies: Esperanto
| Message 192 of 194 30 November 2007 at 6:38am | IP Logged |
Firstly, I hope the above comments will not be removed. Political correctness has no place in the real world. Seriously.
Secondly, I am taken aback by Art/Art07. He is more passionately against Esperanto than I as a learner am in favour of it! His rants about communism are just that, it's merely his opinion, and not one widely held. And seeing as he's the one who wants to prove its lack of popularity based on numbers, why doesn't he find a reliable source?
I can guarantee everyone here that this is the first time I've ever heard such harsh criticism of a language. Politics never came to mind. Not even the ideology of easy communication played as big a part as the simple quest for knowledge. Simply an intellectual pursuit, and a tool for learning Romance languages. It's a shame that a discussion about Esperanto can take such bad turns. Fakte, quite disappointing.
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