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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 49 of 85 02 April 2010 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | ||
Actually my average has been around 200 new words a week, and my goal 300. It's not too difficult because I only study words Chinese-to-English and I'm only looking at those whose characters I should know (two or more characters only). It's actually quite easy even if I miss sessions, as in this past week, and I don't need mnemonics, they just slip into place sooner or later. I extracted all words from the HSK file sorted by HSK level and then eliminated all the one-character entries because I had studied the characters last year. For Italian or Spanish vocabulary I would only study production and the rest would fall into place, but for Chinese I have to use a different approach. It's too difficult to use words correctly just by studying them like this, so instead I'm settling for being able to understand them and I use Boya Chinese textbook and various readers to help me learn to use them actively. Edited by Sprachprofi on 02 April 2010 at 5:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 50 of 85 08 April 2010 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Week 14
I didn't do anything today because I was not feeling up to it after having been to the dentist. However, I'm not too unhappy with my overall progress for the week. Chinese: 322 new words, into HSK 3 territory now; no new sentences, I'm up to date on characters now though French: only 1 1/2 hours again :-( Greek: now on lesson 51, so I did 4 lessons of the passive wave and 2 of the active wave. Swahili: lesson 40, so only two new lessons this week, despite two and a half hours on Swahili. The vocabulary is going slow like molasses, maybe because there are words I had never needed in French. Esperanto: I have started translating a German movie ("Die Feuerzangenbowle") to Esperanto. Spent 3 hours on that this week and I'm counting it as language practise because I regularly have to look up words. Nothing like a translation exercise to make you see your shortcomings. Edited by Sprachprofi on 08 April 2010 at 9:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 51 of 85 15 April 2010 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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Week 15
Chinese: 211 new words, they are harder than before; no new sentences; some studying of Boya Chinese and Chinese phonetics French: 3 hours Greek: now on lesson 57, so I did 6 lessons of the active wave and also the corresponding passive ones of course. Swahili: nothing new this week Esperanto: 2 hours on translating "Die Feuerzangenbowle" to Esperanto and some additional time working on setting up a forum similar to this one in Esperanto. This is probably my last update of this log. I will continue pursuing the TAC and post updates on my private blog but I am leaving the forum this week because of an influx of bigots, bringing up bad memories. See TID=20220&PN=1&TPN=5">this latest thread on Esperanto for an example - people make the most offensive claims denigrating this culture I'm a part of, even doubting its very existence despite proof to the contrary, and not only do they get away with it, votes also indicate that a sizable number of the forum population agrees with what they're saying. I do not intend to delete my account so you can reach me via pm. Edited by Sprachprofi on 15 April 2010 at 9:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5468 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 52 of 85 16 April 2010 at 1:07am | IP Logged | ||
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Sprachprofi, I don't think you and I have ever had any direct exchanges on the forum, and
I am a relative newcomer compared to you. However, I really hope you will reconsider your decision to leave. I personally am completely neutral about Esperanto - I don't intend to learn it but I have no opinion about those who do other than the same admiration I have for anyone who can study a foreign language to a high level. However, your posts are always extremely interesting and informative, and I am in awe of your ability to write in English. It is people like you who make this forum such a wonderful place and I would be very sad to see you go. I'm sure many other members must feel the same. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6146 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 53 of 85 16 April 2010 at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||
I agree completely. I will be very sad to see you go. It is, of course, your choice, but I hope that you will reconsider. It does not seem to me that there are many of these Esperanto-haters on here, and you should just ignore those unkind comments. Of course they were unnecessarily rude, but they are not representative of the vast majority of us on here. If you choose to go, you will surely be missed. If you do choose this, however, goodbye. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5485 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 54 of 85 16 April 2010 at 2:15am | IP Logged | ||
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Sprachprofi, although I have not interacted as much with you, I have always found your posts to be well thought out
and supported. You definitely know what you are talking about, and I think that since you are a relatively active member on the forum, you are valued as a poster in terms of your knowledge. As others have said, take a moment to reconsider, as they are just comments on the internet. If you feel that badly about it, I'm sure you could use your amazing writing skills and most definitely superior linguistic ability to counteract those statements. You will definitely be missed, so I hope that you reconsider. Edited by ruskivyetr on 16 April 2010 at 2:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dragonfly Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6483 days ago 204 posts - 233 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: German, Italian, Mandarin | Message 55 of 85 16 April 2010 at 7:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Sprachprofi, teammate, should you really pay attention to these people? There were discussions here on the forum when people spoke badly about my native country, and they made me really furious ... totally in vain. Such people come and go, there are lots of knowledgeable supportive members here, just like you, for them it's really worth staying.
Nevertheless, I'd like to turn to you some day, as I'm interested in Esperanto as a linguist. My field of research is how the language affects you worldview, and it would be interesting to find out if an artificial language can influence your perception of reality. Hope to hear from you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 56 of 85 17 April 2010 at 3:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you all for your kind messages. The reason I don't feel at ease in this forum is
because I can talk about all my languages except the one that I feel has enriched me most... let's take the new topic "Most Interesting Grammar" for example. The original poster voted for English, so it's safe to say he's not just looking for the more exotic candidates like Maori, Swahili or the like, even though these languages are fascinating as well. Because of his vote for English, I know could get away with voting for French or German or Chinese; probably even Klingon would be an acceptable vote. However, if I were honest and voted Esperanto because of the unique regular word creation system, I'd be drawn into another fight again. To have a somewhat normal forum experience and good blood pressure levels, I'd have to censor myself at every step, not just to prevent myself from replying when bigots spread lies about Esperanto to newbies who ask about it, but also to hide my true thoughts on questions like the above. If you recall, there used to be several pro-Esperanto voices every time the subject came up. I find now that we're sick of it, sick of having to defend a perfectly natural choice of second language, sick of people thinking they can single out Esperanto among all the world's languages and deny it the respect that they would not deny to Piraha, or Saint Lucian Creole French. Now Esperanto haters are getting louder, also supported by anonymous votes, and the pro-Esperanto voices are disappearing. Some have gone the way of Iversen, censoring anything they might want to say about Esperanto. Others are following Volte, disappearing for months at a time. Yet others are leaving the forum entirely, like Blunderstein did most recently. I'm one of the last. Because of the other people I have now heard, I will probably drop by once in a while to read about new language-learning methods or to answer questions directed at me, but this forum doesn't feel right anymore to share my crazy ideas. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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