flabbergasted Triglot Groupie Latvia Joined 6359 days ago 75 posts - 97 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Latvian Studies: Arabic (classical), French, German, Italian, Spanish, Mandarin, Serbo-Croatian, Catalan, Persian
| Message 57 of 69 04 March 2010 at 10:09pm | IP Logged |
Another question for Kinan. I wonder, when two Arabs talk to each other in MSA on some
television talk show, how does it sound to you? Do you feel that they are unnatural and
too formal? Can such a conversation happen in real life, let's say between an Egyptian
and a Lebanese sitting next to each other on a train?
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aquablue Senior Member United States Joined 6385 days ago 150 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Mandarin
| Message 58 of 69 04 March 2010 at 10:11pm | IP Logged |
Of course, what?
So, gulf or egyptian for my needs?
Edited by aquablue on 04 March 2010 at 10:11pm
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Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5569 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish
| Message 59 of 69 04 March 2010 at 10:48pm | IP Logged |
aquablue wrote:
Of course, what?
So, gulf or egyptian for my needs?
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Ofcoursethey would understand each other.
As for your needs, i need to know them first..but generally Egyptian is way more popular than Gulf one.
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Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5569 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish
| Message 60 of 69 04 March 2010 at 10:51pm | IP Logged |
flabbergasted wrote:
Another question for Kinan. I wonder, when two Arabs talk to each other in MSA on some
television talk show, how does it sound to you? Do you feel that they are unnatural and
too formal? Can such a conversation happen in real life, let's say between an Egyptian
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On television all the talk shows are in MSA and so it dosn't sound unnatural to me, but it would if i hear 2 people speaking MSA to each other in the street.
If for example a Lebanese and an Egyptian sitting together then everyone of them would speak with his own dialect and it would be understood completly to the other.
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aquablue Senior Member United States Joined 6385 days ago 150 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Mandarin
| Message 61 of 69 04 March 2010 at 11:01pm | IP Logged |
My interests are in the gulf states due to their fantastic development and standard of living. However, I want to be able to go to Lebanon and Egypt too and be able to understand. So, which dialect should I learn?
Edited by aquablue on 06 March 2010 at 3:02am
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liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6232 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 62 of 69 27 September 2011 at 7:37pm | IP Logged |
aquablue wrote:
My interests are in the gulf states due to their fantastic development and standard of living.
However, I want to be able to go to Lebanon and Egypt too and be able to understand. So, which dialect should I
learn?
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Work though FSI's Saudi/Hijazi Arabic course. It will give you a great base to work off of. Hijazi is ( so I am told)
easily understood in the Levant and in Egypt. It is also pretty close to MSA in terms of vocabulary. The course is
excellent and explains things very well. Couple this with the FSI series in Modern Written Arabic ( essentially MSA )
and you have an excellent ( and free!) foundation in Arabic. I am working through these courses right now and can
understand Egyptian fairly well ... Levantine not as well but I haven't worked at it very hard.
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kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4892 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish
| Message 63 of 69 27 September 2011 at 9:42pm | IP Logged |
aquablue wrote:
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It's a trick question!
Arabic dialects remind me of Spanish and Portuguese. People who are fluent in one can
understand the other, but those of us who are learning need to treat them distinctly.
Same with Arabic. Egyptians and Lebanese native speakers can understand each other.
But a beginning student who studies and speaks a bit of Levantine might not
understand a word of Egyptian Arabic, and the Egyptians might not understand a word of
your accent, even though it was fine in the Levant! I know this from experience.
Start with learning the alphabet and basic sentence structure. Might as well use MSA
books for this. Then, learn whichever dialect matches your interest.
(and no one outside the Maghreb seems to understand anyone between Tripoli and
Marrakesh).
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William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6275 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 64 of 69 28 September 2011 at 4:51pm | IP Logged |
liddytime wrote:
aquablue wrote:
My interests are in the gulf states due to their fantastic development and standard of living.
However, I want to be able to go to Lebanon and Egypt too and be able to understand. So, which dialect should I
learn?
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Work though FSI's Saudi/Hijazi Arabic course. It will give you a great base to work off of. Hijazi is ( so I am told)
easily understood in the Levant and in Egypt. It is also pretty close to MSA in terms of vocabulary. The course is
excellent and explains things very well. Couple this with the FSI series in Modern Written Arabic ( essentially MSA )
and you have an excellent ( and free!) foundation in Arabic. I am working through these courses right now and can
understand Egyptian fairly well ... Levantine not as well but I haven't worked at it very hard. |
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I worked through the FSI Hejazi course last year. The dialect does seem to be pretty comprehensible to Levantines and Egyptians, as well as not deviating much from MSA. More recently I have been concentrating on MSA itself.
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