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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6275 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 65 of 69 01 October 2011 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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Arabic spoken dialects seem to have a relationship with the written language/MSA that is like a Venn diagram. They all overlap to one degree or another with it, some more than others. And there is always a part that doesn't, otherwise they would not be dialects any more. Hejazi seems to overlap more than most, though in cases where it doesn't, this is often the result of Egyptian Arabic influence.
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6232 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 66 of 69 01 October 2011 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | ||
What a great analogy! Colloquial Arabic is somewhat of a Venn diagram ( a very large overlapping Venn diagram) This is what i found in the introductory material from the Saudi course: The Hijazi dialect is used throughout the country (Saudi Arabia) for government and commercial purposes, and has become the most widely-understood dialect in the Arabian Peninsula. The Hijazi dialectis not "pure" Saudi Arabic, and reflects recent borrowings from other dialects, especially Egyptian, Jordanian and Palestinian ; for this reason, sometimes one word or expression was selected from several which may be heard, and sometimes alternative expressions are introduced, since two or even three forms may be in frequent use. No dialect is pure and they tend to influence one another. With globalization and easy access to media from other parts of the Arab world I'm sure these influences will only increase in the future! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6275 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 67 of 69 02 October 2011 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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The introduction to FSI Hejazi made no special claims about the dialect's intelligibility outside the Arabian Peninsula, but it does seem to be a useful lingua franca choice for at least the eastern part of the Arabic-speaking world, from Egypt to Iraq. That may be one of the reasons it is the Arabic dialect most extensively covered by FSI, even if this is not explicitly stated.
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| Renaçido Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5087 days ago 34 posts - 60 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, Latin | Message 68 of 69 02 October 2011 at 9:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Egyptian is the most widely understood dialect in the Arab world, considering how huge and pervasive its media production and marketing in other countries is. I've been told that Egyptians themselves often don't have much exposure to other dialects, since the country consumes mostly what it also produces in terms of media. About visiting Egypt, I don't know what to say regarding the current post-revolution situation though...
A problem I see about learning Hejazi is that you absolutely can't visit the Hejaz (or any of Saudi Arabia) as a typical tourist, you must be either sponsored by somebody approved by the Saudi Chamber of Commerce, or go as part of a group in pilgrimage to Mecca with a local mosque (done via mosques' contact with embassies of Saudi Arabia), or go on a tightly guided tour. (Unless you're a citizen of Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE or Oman—then you can freely go around as much as you want.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4654 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 69 of 69 26 February 2013 at 9:08am | IP Logged | ||
Yemeni seems to have so much variation that my friend doesn't care what vowel I put in. Seriously. Also, I noticed most articles posted here do not mention Yemeni at all. Is it due to the extreme variation? Or maybe it's just not as popular as Egyptian/Levantine dialects? Oh, btw, what is a Venn diagram? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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