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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 144 29 December 2011 at 1:43pm | IP Logged |
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Beautiful song - can't comment on the lyrics:-) Good luck with your Russian studies!
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 10 of 144 29 December 2011 at 3:50pm | IP Logged |
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And sad.
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| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 11 of 144 02 January 2012 at 11:35am | IP Logged |
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I saw an ancient Irish manuscript at our university's rare books section and thought, wow, Irish looks so
elegant! I have to keep my wanderlust in check, though :) Good luck! Your log's off to a great start! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4958 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 12 of 144 02 January 2012 at 8:25pm | IP Logged |
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wow stupid soft signs! I really am about to rip every hair from my head. I feel like I
know what I should be doing in theory, and I can tell the difference when I hear it, but my poor, weak, clumsy American mouth just can't make the right sound! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 13 of 144 03 January 2012 at 7:06am | IP Logged |
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Your frustration got me thinking, Ellsworth. When I listen to Japanese, and feel the urge to produce the same
sounds I hear, I start to whisper it, and it sounds perfect. However, as soon as I pronounce the word audibly, it sounds somewhat different, which kind of puts a damper on things and makes it depressing. I recently figured out a way to deal with it. 1. Listen to the word/phrase repeatedly before attempting to pronounce it. You will pick all the different points each time you listen to it. Then you can start pronouncing it backwards. As in, pronounce the last syllable first, then add to it the one before, and so on. 2. If it's a video you're watching, watch how the actors move, the way the move their heads, their facial nd bodily gestures, and how they move their mouths and lips. Americans move differently when speaking than if they were Japanese, Hindi, etc. When I tried to do this with Japanese, I found I was producing a more natural sounding accent. I'm not attempting to speak out loud yet, but the phrases I know well and feel comfortable saying are the ones I try out different things with. I think pronunciation relies on both how you use your tongue/mouth and how you actually move your head and body. Am I making sense? Try to pretend you're Irish! 3. Another thought that just popped in my mind right now is to record your voice and play it back. By comparing it to the native speaker you'll be able to work out what needs to be fixed. Hope that was some help to you. You'll get there eventually! I know nothing about Irish, but good luck with everything! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4958 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 14 of 144 03 January 2012 at 5:13pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the advice Woodsei! I am going to try everything you said, as well as I just
got a book on Russian phonology, with useful diagrams on how my mouth should be shaped. I hope all together I come up with something... 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 15 of 144 04 January 2012 at 12:29pm | IP Logged |
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You're perfectly welcome! I think, ultimately, is that it all boils down to prolonged and repeated exposure to
the language. The more you hear of it, the more it becomes ingrained and closer to being second nature. I also find having an intimate relationship with the phrase helpful. Understanding perfectly what it means and the many different situations it can be used in naturally without sounding odd or forced helps by leaps and bounds. That's why I guess I'm such a huge proponent of gargantuan amounts of listening:) I don't have a fixed theory for a silent period or anything that I religiously adhere by; my theory is to just let speaking come when it comes. You'll know it then. I might sound too greedy, but care to share the name of the book you have on Russian phonology? It sounds interesting! Break a leg! (in the metaphorical sense, of course:). ) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4958 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 16 of 144 05 January 2012 at 12:45pm | IP Logged |
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Introduction to Russian Phonology and Word Structure, William S. Hamiliton
Yeah I agree about the listening. I even try listening to Russian that I can't understand yet, just for exposure to the sounds. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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