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| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4751 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 129 of 144 18 March 2012 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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For my pronunciation I repeat Assimil russian lessons. I actually had another
conversation with a Russian speaker this morning who said that my pronunciation, though not perfect, was understandable. At this point, I really want to get back to focusing on the grammar. Is it possible that my pronunciation could improve naturally if I just give it some time? I mean, as long as I continue spend time listening, I should become more accustomed to the way it is supposed to sound. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4850 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 130 of 144 18 March 2012 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||
It is better to fix the pronunciation at the beginning. Understandable is a broad word: understandable in one situation may be ununderstandable in another. Фром май харт is understandable too but that's not the way of speaking we can suggest to learners of English. The main point here is that listening itself does not give much. Descriptions are needed. English "th" in "three" sounded as f for me at the beginning or like something in between f and s, I would never guess how to pronounce it. But we were told to put the tongue between the teeth and it appeared to be а rather simple sound. I as all the Russians did not hear any difference between English h and Russian x. Again explanations helped me to start hearing the difference and pronouncing h correctly and so on. Do you hear the difference between Russian т and English t? It is very noticeble for a native Russian speaker. We were told to put the tongue on alveolars to pronounce these English sounds, you have to put it on the teeth then. (The tip of the tongue never touches the alveolars in Russian). Edited by Марк on 18 March 2012 at 5:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4751 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 131 of 144 18 March 2012 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Here is a recording. This one sounds much better to my ears. Maybe not though.
http://soundcloud.com/user5334234/attempt-3 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4751 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 132 of 144 20 March 2012 at 3:33am | IP Logged | ||
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I am very interested in learning a native american language, and after a bit of research,
I have chosen upon Lakota. It actually appears easier than I thought, but finding resources is going to be tough. There are only about 6000 native speakers left. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4850 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 133 of 144 20 March 2012 at 9:46am | IP Logged | ||
Yes, that's much better. I would advice to pronounce и more clearly. To raise your tongue more, then р will become softer automatically. It is convenient to pronounce a soft consonant before и because you put the tongue in the position of и while pronouncing the previous consonant. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4751 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 134 of 144 20 March 2012 at 11:29am | IP Logged | ||
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Ah ok thanks. Very grateful to have you here.
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| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4751 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 135 of 144 30 March 2012 at 3:52am | IP Logged | ||
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Studying a bit more Irish today. Quite annoyed at something to do with pronunciation. So
according to Wikipedia, the Irish "r"s are pronounced "|r|" yet it sounds exactly like "| ɹ|" here http://www.forvo.com/word/ramhar/#ga with the pronunciation of "ramhar". So any how, I will pronounce it as I hear it but I hope it's not wrong. >< 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4850 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 136 of 144 30 March 2012 at 11:17am | IP Logged | ||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP23SxvECSs Listen to this one, for example. Wikipedia is right: English r has appeared in Irish recently, the proper irish sound is a rolled r, it is well heard in old recordings and sometimes now. Another story is the slender r. The speaker at the funeral pronounces broad and slender r exactly like Russian hard and soft r. But there are a lot of other variants. In Ulster pronunciation [j] can be found (the sound is tenser of course), in other places it is pronounced like рь, жь, зь and something in between, native speakers do not notice the diference. I pronounce Russian р рь and it is correct. Do you remember the by Clannad Tá mé i mo shuí, which you posted? How does she pronounce broad and slender r? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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