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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5847 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 81 of 107 10 March 2009 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | ||
Nice reference to classical languages! I know my own abilities well, which is really important, especially for study purposes. Fasulye-Babylonia 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dlb Triglot Groupie Joined 5779 days ago 44 posts - 52 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Greek, Italian | Message 82 of 107 10 March 2009 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | ||
Thank you for your response. I think you have exactly hit what I was missing and had never thought of before, an analytical approach for greater understanding of a language is quite different than memorizing facts for facts sake. In eastern learning styles students tend to memorize fact in order to regurgitate the information at a later date which is what I assume also happens in many traditional language classrooms. The idea of memorizing and analyzing information for a greater understanding of the language is lost. I also imagine that your process of thinking in the language is a key element of converting your understanding of the language to actual communicative abilities. In my early analytical language learning I never tried thinking in the language. It seems obvious, now, and I can see how this would really make a difference. Thanks again for your insight. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5847 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 83 of 107 10 March 2009 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
This is a hot topic for me, Iversen! When I concentrate on your Danish hyperliteral translations, I start thinking a bit in Danish, even if I don't speak the language yet. But with Turkish I don't get the thinking process in action. Normally thinking in a foreign language comes naturally for me, but with Turkish it doesn't work. The structure of the language is too different and my vocabulary is still too limited, this must be the challenge. I still haven't solved this and I am now trying to work out a method to force me into such a thinking process. I would like to get onto this level by the end of 2009, so I have still some months left to crack my brain about this. Fasulye-Babylonia Edited by Fasulye on 10 March 2009 at 8:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 84 of 107 13 April 2009 at 10:38am | IP Logged | ||
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My wordlist method, modified to suit people with larger handwriting than mine. I suggest that you always fold the paper once because that will make it more handy to work with - the A5 sheet size would then be approx. 21 x 15 cm.
In the version shown below the column widths would be 9 and 6 cm if you write across the short side of the folded paper, and that should be more than enough for almost everybody. If you have an enormous handwriting you can use the long side, and then you have 12 + 9 cm at your disposal (but in your place I would try to scale down my writing, otherwise you will use too much paper). Personally I prefer 2 wide and two narrow columns across one sheet of paper (6½ + 6½ + 4 +4 cm), each subdivided as shown below. You do one block of words at a time. Here block 1 is shown as words 1-5 (the number should normally be somewhere between 5 and 7). In your own interest, use different colors for the two languages, because this makes it easier to concentrate on words from just one of the two languages. First write the target words, and when* you feel sure that you can write all the base language words in the block then do so. If you do have to cheat then take a peek, but write another word before you return to the offending one - writing down a word you have just seen is a waste of time, you need to do the recalling part of the exercise. When you feel confident that you can rewrite all the target words in one go, then cover the left part of the block and write them. After that, proceed to the second block and so forth. Later, typically next day: copy the base language words one block at a time, make sure that you can write all the corresponding target language words. When you feel confident that you can do so, cover the base language words and write. NB: of course you could cheat and peek at the original wordlist to the left. But the distance should normally be large enough to keep your eyes from wandering, and otherwise you just have to cover the offending part of the paper. (Day 1) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Day 2) Target 1 Base 1 Target 1 | Base 1 Target 1 Target 2 Base 2 Target 2 | Base 2 Target 2 Target 3 Base 3 Target 3 | Base 3 Target 3 Target 4 Base 4 Target 4 | Base 4 Target 4 Target 5 Base 5 Target 5 | Base 5 Target 5 Target 6 Base 6 Target 6 | Base 6 Target 6 Target 7 Base 7 Target 7 | Base 7 Target 7 Edited by Iversen on 18 May 2009 at 12:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5866 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish | Message 85 of 107 13 April 2009 at 2:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 86 of 107 17 May 2009 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Inspired by this thread I have made a list of links to some of my earlier postings that - without being a complete manual of language learning - gives an overview over most aspects as I see them. The names are those of the threads, not of my posts. I have excluded links that were dependent on knowledge of certain languages, even though some of my own 'favorites' belong to this category.
Linguistics http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=12385&PN=1&TPN=1 13 October 2008 at 9:16pm Learning Families of languages http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=8264&PN=1 09 December 2007 at 3:48am Near-extinct languages - Advise? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=12771&TPN=2 12 November 2008 at 9:30am Agglutinative to fusional to analytic... http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=9459&PN=0&TPN=1000 10 March 2008 at 12:48am | IP Logged Iversen (Profile): About the number of languages that a person can learn http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=3435&PN=1&TPN=3 25 February 2007 at 9:43pm "Rule of seven" http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=4978 January 2007 at 3:57am About an experiment with learning styles http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14135 02 March 2009 at 11:27am Learning Methodology http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=8986&PN=1&TPN=1 03 February 2008 at 9:07pm How to study? http://www.how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.a sp?TID=6088&KW=keith&PN=0&TPN=5 17 June 2007 at 5:39pm Iversen (Profile thread: learning for thinking and other subjects) http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=3435&PN=1&TPN=9 14 November 2008 at 1:06pm On L-R http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14387&PN=1&TPN=1 23 March 2009 at 10:03am Shadowing: yay or nay? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=11012&PN=1&TPN=4 09 July 2008 at 12:46am Accent formation video lecture http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14080&PN=1&TPN=1 26 February 2009 at 7:59pm Iversen (Profile thread: a hybrid kind of grammar) http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6743&PN=0&TPN=1000 31 July 2007 at 5:13am 31 July 2007 at 12:17pm Iversen (profile thread: learning grammar) http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=3435&TPN=9 08 March 2009 at 7:17pm Iversen (profile thread: about word lists (and grammar)) http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=3435&PN=1&TPN=4 09 January 2008 at 4:03pm Iversen's multiconfused log (revised layout for wordlists) http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=12983&PN=1&TPN=83 12 April 2009 at 9:06pm WIKIA: Word lists ('Iversen's method') http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Word_lists How many words do I have to learn ? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14608&PN=1&TPN=6 18 April 2009 at 6:46am How to count the words you know? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=8272&PN=6 04 December 2007 at 10:33am All I need to know is 2500 words http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=251&PN=0&TPN=2 29 August 2006 at 2:12am 18 September 2006 at 4:59pm Lists of high frequency words http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=7514&PN=7&TPN=2 17 October 2007 at 3:38pm WIKIA: Interlaced parallel texts http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Interlaced_parallel_t exts WIKIA: Hyperliteral translations http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperliteral_translat ions Listening and understanding nothing http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=11744&PN=0&TPN=1000 25 August 2008 at 12:08pm Understanding a language you don’t speak http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6927&PN=13 18 August 2007 at 12:23am Another 6WC? (about how to kickstart a new language) http://www.how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.a sp?TID=6116&PN=0&TPN=7 09 June 2007 at 3:50am Intermediate vs. Advanced Fluency http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=4793&PN=26 04 January 2007 at 12:07pm Passive Fluency http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6020&PN=0&TPN=3 24 May 2007 at 10:25am Getting from passive to active http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=12248&PN=1&TPN=1 05 October 2008 at 9:44pm Foreign language thinking pattern http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14905 30 April 2009 at 2:17pm Does fluency involve an "epiphany moment" http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=5326&PN=0&TPN=1 12 March 2007 at 5:43pm Iversen (profile thread) - about epiphany moments http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=3435&PN=1&TPN=9 30 December 2008 at 3:32am Ergativity - I’m having trouble with it http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14476&PN=1&TPN=1 30 March 2009 at 10:06pm Reading http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=799115 November 2007 at 5 November 2007 at 1:34pm Latin & today’s Romance languages http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=8373 13 December 2007 at 10:07am New Google Translation languages http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=14074 25 February 2009 at 11:51am Edited by Iversen on 14 June 2009 at 11:13pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5847 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 87 of 107 18 May 2009 at 5:09am | IP Logged | ||
Iversen, I find this list of your most important posts on language learning methods and grammar very useful, as I am - relatively - new to this forum and I may not have read some of your older posts from the years 2006-2008. Of course I have read (almost) all your current posts you've written since I am a member of this forum. Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Uthnapistim Diglot Newbie Finland Joined 5694 days ago 19 posts - 25 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: German, Indonesian | Message 88 of 107 14 June 2009 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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The link above purporting to lead to the "Rule of Seven" thread has a tiny glitch. Here is a working link: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=4978
I luckily happened upon this link list in my search of the "Iversen's method", which was approvingly referred to in multiple recent postings, albeit unfortunately without a link or an explanation. In my humble opinion a sticky post with the above list of links, whether in part or in whole, would not be at all inappropriate. Edited by Uthnapistim on 14 June 2009 at 2:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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