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| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4623 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 113 of 236 06 January 2014 at 12:37am | IP Logged | ||
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@Fuenf–Katzen, thanks for the kind words. I wasn't sure if I was going to continue logging, but here I am again...
@milesaway, thanks for the encouragement. From what I have read on this site, Russian requires a lot of work but is very much worth it. Sunday, January 5 Update Overall Summary: Spending roughly 30 minutes a day on beginning Russian, about twice that or sometimes more on Spanish and German. In Spanish: working on improving my reading vocabulary and grammar, but don't count casual time using Spanish as study (talking to family, watching a soccer game or the news, etc). In German: primarily enjoying native content, but also trying to get in some grammar work; otherwise it just seems like too much fun. No skype conversations this week due to the holidays, but those will resume starting next week. I'm also back to work this coming week, so I won't have as much time available to study, but my one goal for 2014 is to spend a minimum of 20 minutes every single day each on the three languages I am studying. Sounds easy, but time will tell... Deutsch Ich habe mit dem Hörbuch angefangen, und ich finde es nicht so schlimm als ich es mir vorgestellt hatte. Diese Woche habe ich einen sehr melodramatischen Film über eine spielsüchtige Frau, ein Interview mit Eugen Ruge und einen Kinderfilm, Der kleine Muck, angeschaut. Gestern habe ich verschieden Artikeln in Der Zeit gelesen. Einer hatte mit einem beliebten Ratgeberbuch zu tun: Die Frau als Hausärztin. Millionen von Ausgaben dieses Buches wurden von 1901 bis 1993 verkauft. Die Autorin war eine Ärztin, die traditionelle Arznei sehr kritisierte. Sie empfahl vegetarisches Essen und erklärte wie man Verhütungsmittel benutzen könnte. Das Grammatik- Thema dieser Woche war Fürwörter. Español He leído las primeras 40 y pico páginas de Óscar Wao. El jueves estaba en la biblioteca y encontré el audiolibro también. Así que puedo escucharlo cuando estoy viajando al trabajo. Al mismo tiempo, vi una copia de Don Quijote para Jóvenes que me llamó la atención. Lo saqué y pasé la mayor parte de los dos días siguientes leyéndolo. Me gustó mucho y aprendí algunas palabras sobre la montura de caballos. ¿Porqué estoy siempre tan atraída a palabras inútiles? Jamás necesitaré palabras como riendas ni espuelas, pero me intrigan. También me ha dado cuenta de que no tengo ni la menor idea de como se usa el subjuntivo. Y escribir en español es también algo que casi nunca he hecho. Así que tengo todavía mucho que aprender. La próxima vez que estoy en la Biblioteca, voy a sacar un libro sobre gramática española. Sé que puedo hablar Spanglish sin problemas, pero me gustaría mejorar mis habilidades en el uso correcto del idioma español verdadero. Русский I am taking a break from Pimsleur for a while, but will probably come back to it. It was not helpful to my learning the alphabet or very basic words. I'm not sure about learning exclusively by audio. It's nice to actually see the words in written form, but then again, the book I currently use has no audio at all, which also is problematic. I am still working on reading and writing Cyrillic, and just started a video series designed for high school students on youtube. It's called Russian World and there are a number of levels. The teacher has a combination of a Russian and a Texan accent. It is extremely basic, but that is exactly what I need right now. The teacher pronounces the words over and over and demonstrates how to write the letters in cursive. It does make me feel somewhat like a not very bright child, but in Russian, even a 2 year old could school me, so that's ok. It's fine for me to have modest goals, especially when taking first steps :) I'm learning a fair amount of new words in addition to the written and printed alphabet, but most of them are cognates in another known language at this point except for лето and зима, the words for summer and winter respectively. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4623 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 114 of 236 12 January 2014 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sunday, January 12 Update
It takes quite a long time to catch up on everyone's logs! There are really a lot of people on the Spanish and German teams, and tons of learning happening. Bravo! I am reading them all, but not always commenting, though I am certainly interested in the progress being made and the different approaches people are using. I recently started on a voluntary basis to tutor two English learners. One is a child and the other is an adult who is only semi-literate. Both are very challenging in different ways, and working with them points out to me the importance of recognizing the pattern of something, rather than just rote memorization. Both are impatient and want me to give them "the answer" rather than spending the time and energy to learn the pattern that would enable them to in future recognize the right answer for themselves. I have to remember that in my own learning and avoid taking shortcuts, no matter how tempting that is. Fortuitously I happened to stumble upon a website that gave me a needed boost on a day when I was feeling overly perfectionistic. To quote from the site the surfing/">Language Surfer "The central tenet of this website and of my personal philosophy is that languages are not something to conquer, but something to enjoy yourself in. Yes, with the languages I’m studying, I am absolutely aware of my proficiency level, and literacy, and vocabulary knowledge. But 'being good' is not why I study language. I study language to get the real benefits of communication: Making people laugh. Expressing myself. Appreciating novels, comic books, and song lyrics. Understanding other people. Keeping myself out of trouble. Having fun." Deutsch Täglich habe ich irgendwelche online Zeitung gelesen, unter den Artikeln einen Deprimierenden über Waffen in der amerikanischen Kultur. Ich war am Donnerstag sehr enttäuscht zu lernen, dass die Klasse, an der ich teilnehme wollte, abgesagt wurde. Ich habe das Hörbuch gehört und sogar eine Kopie des Buches gefunden und gelesen. Es hatte viele Wörter, die mit Gärten zu tun haben, z.B. Hortensien, Funkien, Ringelblume, usw. Ich bin keine Gärtnerin und weiß nicht sogar auf Englisch wie alle die Blumen und Bäumen genannt sind, deshalb bemühte ich mich nicht, diese Wörter auswendig zu lernen, sondern nur bemerkte ich sie wenn ich Lust hatte, was nicht immer der Fall war. Es hatte sogar ein bisschen Plattdeutsch drin. Zuerst zweifelte ich daran, ob dieses Buch mir gefallen würde, aber ich habe wirklich viele neue Wörter gelernt und musste Hilfe hier am Forum gebeten (und habe es bekommen), um gewisse Wörter zu verstehen. Wie glücklich wir sind, dass wir dieses Forum haben. Die Geschichte ist eine echte Seifenoper...nicht normalerweise mein Geschmack, aber weil ich so viele neuen Wörter getroffen hat, bedauere ich mich nicht dieses Buch gelesen und gehört zu haben. I think I have overreached with that last sentence: I meant to say that in spite of the melodrama, I don't regret having read/listened to the book because of all the vocabulary it contained. Español Sigo leyendo Oscar Wao y escuchando al audiolibro en el bus o auto. Es chévere...como dicen la gente del caribe. ;) Esta semana he comenzado a estudiar gramática, sobre todo el subjuntivo. Cuando veo que había puesto en mi perfil que "hablo" en vez de "estudio" el español me siento un poco avergonzada, porque ahora que lo estoy estudiando de verdad, me he dado cuenta que me falta todavía bastante que aprender. Por ejemplo, nunca he usado vosotros...solo lo he escuchado en progamas españolas. Tenemos cable y recibimos programas de todo el mundo hispano. Le gusta a mi esposo también ver programas de España y CNÑ, pero creo que no le gusta tanto cuando le pregunto qué significa tal palabra. Por si acaso uno de Uds. todavía no hubieran leído el log de dbag, él ha recomendado varios series, entre ellos uno que se llama Filosofía Aquí y Ahora. Es muy divertido y es de Argentina. El log de Vos me llamó la atención a la palabra "vos", que en varios países es usado como ¿o en vez de? "tú" y que significa lobo en holandés, según Vos. Mi esposo lo usa mucho como él es nicaragüense. Quiero averiguar más sobre esa forma de decir tú, pero no he tenido tiempo todavía. Lo haré después de terminar de escribir este log. Русский Have upped my study to almost an hour per day, a sure sign that my stamina is increasing. Have done more Pimsleur and it is slowly sinking in, although I must admit, it did seem very odd at times to keep repeating Я американец "I am an American man", something I would never ever say in real life, although if I were to hear someone say that, I would switch immediately to English...hmm maybe it is good to know? It's funny that the phrase that is sticking most in my mind is "I can understand Russian", which of course if not true at all... I am doing the Russian World videos daily, watching things like Улица сезам (Sesame Street) and writing out/reviewing new vocabulary words. I am very slowly becoming somewhat more comfortable reading the Cyrillic alphabet. Writing is much more of a challenge. Unfortunately the ~20 year old Russian World videos reference a book long out of print, Russian for Everybody, which is available by somewhat suspicious pdf download, but I neither want to infect my computer with a virus nor spend an exorbitant sum trying to get a hardcopy. The Dallas Schools, who put out the original series, recommends another text called Russian Face to Face, a used copy of which I was able to find for only a few dollars, but it seems to be nothing special, but a beginning. I've been reading the thread about Russian textbooks with interest, and have requested a few through my library so I can test them out. I saw an interesting documentary "Three Songs about Motherland", but of course had to completely rely on subtitles. While watching kid shows, I was able to pick out a few words, such as яблоня (apple tree) and утка (duck) but I have a long, long way to go. Russian is still so foreign to my ears at this point, that listening is essential, even if very little is understood (or even nothing...). You have just not lived until you have watched Kermit the frog speaking Russian :) His name sounds something like Kirmito (not sure?), and Grover's voice to my astonishment sounded exactly like the American version. The German Bert and Ernie are also quite nice and entertaining...am I entering my second childhood??? Something cool: one of my German skype partners is studying Russian as well (although she is quite advanced, having learned it at school). If I can ever figure out how to post images here, I'll post one of my amusing attempts to write in cursive. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4623 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 115 of 236 16 January 2014 at 5:28am | IP Logged | ||
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From Wordreference languages forum an explanation of various verbs containing hören: Hinhören sagt man wenn man jemanden auf ein Geräusch aufmerksam machen will: Bsp: "Hör mal genau hin, da ist so ein Leises Pfeifen" Zuhören bezieht sich meistens auf Geräusche, die Information tragen (Gespräche, Musik...) die man ohne genaues Zuhören nicht erfassen kann. Bsp: "Hör doch mal zu wenn ich mit dir Spreche" "Hör mal genau zu, an der Stelle singt sie so wunderschön" Anhören benutzt man wenn für Audienzen, oder Anliegen Bsp: "Hör mich doch erstmal an, bevor du dich entscheidest" "Ich habe heute eine Audienz beim König, ich hoffe er hört mich an" Es ist allerdings ein etwas altmodischer Ausdruck, heute würde man vermutlich zuhören ähnlich verwenden Abhören, bedeutet durch lauschen an Informationen zu kommen, das Verb impliziert meistens dass dabei bestimmte Geräte zum Einsatz kommen: Bsp: "Die Polizei hörte die Wohnung des Verdächtigen ab" "Der Arzt hörte den Herzschalg des Patienten ab" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ummagumma Senior Member IrelandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5257 days ago 217 posts - 241 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 116 of 236 16 January 2014 at 11:19am | IP Logged | ||
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Ich habe mich oft gefragt, was ist das Unterschied zwischen "zuhören" und "anhören". Ich habe es jedoch nie in Grammatikbuch nachgelesen. Jetzt verstehe ich. Ich danke dir. Übrigens ist es das erste Mal, dass ich "hinhören" gesehen habe. Macht Sinn. To listen plus the directional preposition "hin". Genial, oder? Vorher habe ich "abhören" gelesen, und konnte es von Kontext leicht schätzen. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4623 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 117 of 236 17 January 2014 at 6:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Voseo From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not to be confused with vosotros, the second person plural familiar form for Spanish conjugations. Voseo (Spanish pronunciation: [boˈse.o]) is the use of vos as a second person singular pronoun, including its conjugational verb forms in many dialects of Spanish. In dialects that have it, it is used either instead of tú, or alongside it. Vos is used extensively as the primary form of the second person singular in Rioplatense Spanish for Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia (east), and in Paraguayan Spanish, for Paraguay. El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica also exhibit an extensive use of the vos pronoun through the Central American Spanish dialect. Though in Northern Central America the media use tú more. In Nicaragua and Costa Rica the use of the pronoun tú is nonexistent. In Costa Rica they rather use usted for formal situations and vos with friends and family. Vos had traditionally not been used in formal writing except in Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. This gradually changed in Central America, where even the most prestigious media networks and press began to use the pronoun vos, reflecting the informal address in Spanish as opposed to the formal address of usted. Nowadays it is very common to see billboards and other advertising media using voseo. In the dialect of Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay (known as Rioplatense Spanish), vos is also the standard form for use in television media. Vos is present in other countries as a regionalism, for instance in the Maracucho Spanish of Zulia State, Venezuela, in the Azuero peninsula of Panama, in various departments in Colombia, and in parts of Ecuador (Sierra down to Esmeraldas). In Peru, voseo is present in some Andean regions and Cajamarca, but the younger generations have ceased to use it. It is also present in the Ladino dialect of Spanish, spoken by Sephardic Jews throughout Israel, Turkey, the Balkans, Morocco, Latin America and the United States where it replaces usted. Voseo can also be found in the context of using verb conjugation of vos with tú as the subject pronoun (verbal voseo) as in the case of Chilean Spanish where this form coexists with the ordinary form of voseo. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 118 of 236 19 January 2014 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | ||
Don't worry! The sentence was absolutely comprehensible. The only problems are the word order with "nicht", "getroffen" isn't the right word here, and you shouldn't use "sich bedauern" here. You can use "bedauern" without reflexive pronoun though. "Sich bedauern" means "to pity oneself", while "bedauern" means "to regret". Ich habe sogar ein neues deutsches Wort gelernt: Funkie! Das hatte ich noch nie gehört. :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 119 of 236 19 January 2014 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | ||
"Arznei" is an old-fashioned word. It's better to say "Medizin" here. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 120 of 236 19 January 2014 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | ||
Yeah, German prefixes can be tricky. I'd like to add that while "jdn. anhören" sounds somewhat dated, "sich etw. anhören" is a very common expression: "Ich will mir das genau anhören." 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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