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| Alvinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 6235 days ago 828 posts - 832 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish | Message 25 of 44 12 August 2008 at 11:34am | IP Logged | |||||
Balneario Camboriu is ideal for enjoying nightlife in summer...the urban beaches are polluted and crowded... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Einsiedler Newbie United States Joined 5949 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Portuguese, Arabic (Written) | Message 26 of 44 12 August 2008 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I studied Spanish for 3 years before I discovered how awesome Portuguese is. Once I started learning it, my previous experience with Spanish made my Portuguese learning go so much quicker and smoother. So, I agree with your decision to get a reasonable command in Spanish first, because it will definitely help you out in the long run.
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5883 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 27 of 44 18 October 2008 at 12:26am | IP Logged | |||||
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This is my first post on this forum, so I decided to talk about something I could be a little helpfull.
People seem to believe that it is easier for brazilians to understand Spanish speaking people from South America than otherwise. There appeared some interviews about the subject on tv, but I don't know any conclusive study. The main point is that there are more vowel sounds in portuguese. However, this is not enough to decide the question, I guess. On the other hand, although the grammar structure of the two languages are very similar, this is not enough. Most educated brazilian naively assume that they can easily write in Spanish, but we can't. Besides, there are a lot of false friends and badly "translated" words that make some pseudo-spanish speeches very funny. The most famous came from an ex-brazilian president, whose name I prefer not to repeat. Finally, I hope you all have fun learning portuguese and a nice trip to Brazil and Portugal, two countries I love, of course. Edited by Flarioca on 18 October 2008 at 12:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Alvinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 6235 days ago 828 posts - 832 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish | Message 28 of 44 18 October 2008 at 10:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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[QUOTE=Flarioca] This is my first post on this forum, so I decided to talk about something I could be a little helpful.
Welcome, dude....one more Brazilian here is so nice.... Most educated brazilian naively assume that they can easily write in Spanish, but we can't. Besides, there are a lot of false friends and badly "translated" words that make some pseudo-spanish speeches very funny. The most famous came from an ex-brazilian president, whose name I prefer not to repeat. sometimes it sounds funny, but I admit as I am quite purist it sounds pretty silly to me....why don't you mention Spanish is still hugely underrated by most Brazilians? Edited by Alvinho on 18 October 2008 at 10:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5883 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 29 of 44 18 October 2008 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi, Alvinho! The stats of this site tell us that there are, at this moment, 122 registered brazilians on this forum.
Where are these people? Well, since 109 say they are learning English, they probably are not at ease writing in this language. I have not yet explored all areas of this site, so I ask you if there is a place where people chat in their native language? On the other hand, there are 126 americans (out of 1978, 6%) whose target language is portuguese!! About brazilians and Spanish, it seems to me that the opinion and interest of our people towards Spanish is quickly changing, specially among youngsters. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5883 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 30 of 44 18 October 2008 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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PS: I've just found where people talk in their native languages, but decided not to edit the message above.
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| SlickAs Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5878 days ago 185 posts - 287 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Swedish Studies: Thai, Vietnamese | Message 31 of 44 22 October 2008 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think as a goal as your ability in the less proficient language increases, you will mix less and less. But the way I learned French (having already learned Spanish to fluency) was largely in the streets. In other words, I did not step out of the house with my language "finished" when I started speaking French. And trying to modify Spanish to give you the French gives you a lot, although you are often wrong too. For example I remember once vividly people taking enormous pleasure in my asking a shop assistant if they sold a clothes iron. I tried coming from Spanish "Vendez vous des planches" (una plancha) ... no comprehension ... (planche means "plank", but "planche a repasser" would have been ironing board, so I was close). Given I was wrong I tried again, this time coming from English, translating Iron with wild hand gesticulations "un fer pour les vetments" ... ah! Un fer a repasser", and bingo! The shop assistant in an electrical store thought it halarious that I was asking if they sold wooden planks though! With improving French, the mixture became less and less, but I am still aware that, when searching in my mind for an unknown word in any of my languages, the word from my other languages will pop into my head. Sorting out the separation is part of the skill. When I was just bi-lingual I had a switch in my head ... switch it one way, and English comes out, the other way and Swedish comes out ... adding 3rd and 4th languages meant I needed to refine my mental switch and until a certain level was attained. I still have a slight Spanish accent in my French, which is strange; you would think I would have the standard anglophone accent, but maybe it is my underlying Australian accent that confuses them and causes them to listen closely and try to guess... 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 32 of 44 23 October 2008 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Very well said. I like the metaphor of refining your mental switch. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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