!LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6849 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish
| Message 9 of 39 05 June 2009 at 2:07pm | IP Logged |
Keith, I think with that attitude you won't really have fun learning Japanese, and it won't come easy either, so maybe you should consider just dropping it...
I don't regret learning or having learned any of my languages. I just regret the time I waisted at school trying to learn French (because I think language education at schools suck).
Regards,
Ilhan
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Louis Triglot Groupie Italy Joined 5758 days ago 92 posts - 110 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish
| Message 10 of 39 05 June 2009 at 2:14pm | IP Logged |
Ah, someone finally mentioned foreign language instruction in schools. I can definitely relate. I spent 3 years learning and trying to use my rudimentary Spanish in class only. I came close to regretting my decision to take Spanish over French or even Mandarin Chinese. Fortunately, those 3 years have just been the most recent 3 and thanks largely due to the discovery of this website, I'm progressing faster in Spanish than I ever have been due to a conglomeration of self-study, conversations with native speakers at my workplace, and school classes.
Although, I don't really want to discredit my school or teachers, since I was astonished at how much I understood when I began Spanish language programs or even when I jumped into the Spanishpod lessons.
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cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5866 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 11 of 39 05 June 2009 at 2:15pm | IP Logged |
I know a whole bunch of other language to a beginner to medium stage. I don't seriously regret any of them, but sometimes I wish I would have taken ONE foreign language in school, in addition to English. And stuck with that throughout.
Knowing "a bit" of Japanese is irritating.
My step-mother (Japanese) often tries to speak with me in Japanese when I visit. Half time she has to repeat what she said in English. The whole thing is awkward. She knows about the same amount of Swedish as I know Japanese, but for a serious conversation we have no choice but to resort to English. Japanese is SOOOO hard and I can't see any benefit for me personally of speaking it, other than my family situation. So I don't want to study it.
Edited by cordelia0507 on 05 June 2009 at 2:23pm
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GuardianJY Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5713 days ago 74 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Italian, Swedish, French
| Message 13 of 39 05 June 2009 at 5:47pm | IP Logged |
Tombstone wrote:
Point being? A foreign language is the same way. Millions of students are forced to take a foreign language in high school, mainly Spanish. Learning it because you have to instead because you desire to almost guarantees failure and hard feelings. |
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We need to get someone in Finland's experience about learning Swedish.
Edited by GuardianJY on 05 June 2009 at 5:48pm
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phouk Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 6066 days ago 28 posts - 48 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Russian
| Message 14 of 39 05 June 2009 at 7:44pm | IP Logged |
Tombstone wrote:
Millions of students are forced to take a foreign language in high
school, mainly Spanish. Learning it because you have to instead because you desire to
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Sometimes people on this forum complain about how difficult it is for native English
speakers to get exercise in some foreign language in certain countries, because almost
everyone there speaks English.
Guess what? They all learned it in school. They had to.
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cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6153 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish
| Message 16 of 39 05 June 2009 at 9:19pm | IP Logged |
This is interesting. I had 3 years of German in high school. Even though I never really had a conversation in this language, and this was many years ago, I suspect some of that information is still in my brain. Now and then when I'm trying to recall a Japanese word, German vocab will pop up. When I browse German websites, a bit of latent knowledge combined with a few cognates, I can sometimes almost guess what's going on. This is a little off topic -- I don't regret these classes. One of these days I'll come back to German.
Looking back on it, my sense now is that the classes and grammar content were fine, and the teacher was enthusiastic, but we just didn't cover nearly enough vocabulary. Maybe just a bit more vocabulary study and some more out of class listening would have made a big difference.
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