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Latin and the Romance language Family

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Poll Question: How important is Latin for mastery of the Romance Language family?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
13 [9.77%]
11 [8.27%]
41 [30.83%]
23 [17.29%]
45 [33.83%]
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Toufik18
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 Message 17 of 36
22 September 2009 at 12:57pm | IP Logged 
Nope, it's rather peripheral.
If you learn it, you get a 25 to 50% discount on Romance languages, if you don't, you don't get one :)
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Luís_RJ
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 Message 18 of 36
22 September 2009 at 7:13pm | IP Logged 
Portuguese, French and Spanish have Genders while Latin have Cases like German, what make the Syntax different. You can learn Latin as an enthusiastic, but I don't think it will help you so much to learn Romance Languages.

But, definitely, to really understand what is word, phrase, verb, adverb, conjunction, preposition, and so on, will help you much more.

Edited by Luís_RJ on 22 September 2009 at 7:14pm

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Snesgamer
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 Message 19 of 36
23 September 2009 at 1:44pm | IP Logged 
Latin is useful because so many authors make references to it, and because of the rigorous training its strict grammar provides.

As far as learning other Romance languages go, I think it's HIGHLY overrated. The modern Romance languages are so closely related, that learning one confers roughly the same advantages towards learning the others as Latin would.
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Levi
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 Message 20 of 36
23 September 2009 at 4:53pm | IP Logged 
Snesgamer wrote:
As far as learning other Romance languages go, I think it's HIGHLY
overrated. The modern Romance languages are so closely related, that learning one confers
roughly the same advantages towards learning the others as Latin would.

I would argue that it confers even more of those advantages to learn another Romance
language than to learn Latin. This is because the Romance languages all derive not from
the Classical Latin that is typically learned by Latin students nowadays, but from the
Vulgar Latin that was spoken in the streets. Because of the grammatical and lexical
differences between Classical and Vulgar Latin, the Romance languages share many features
with each other that are not found in Classical Latin.
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poligloton
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 Message 21 of 36
23 September 2009 at 10:02pm | IP Logged 
I voted for critically important, but that is only because my goal is to know all Latin languages, including Latin. However, knowing Latin is not critical to learning other Romance languages. Take any two Romance languages, even those that are the most different, Romanian and ______, and they are still more similar to each other than either of them is to Latin.
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tritone
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 Message 22 of 36
25 September 2009 at 9:03am | IP Logged 
Snesgamer wrote:
The modern Romance languages are so closely related, that learning one confers roughly the same advantages towards learning the others as Latin would.


I would go further, and say that learning a romance language provides far more advantages towards learning another romance language, than learning latin would.

Despite the lexical similarities, the syntax and grammar of latin seem to be almost completely alien to the romance languages, and I can't imagine how it would help in any way.






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Cainntear
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 Message 23 of 36
25 September 2009 at 12:24pm | IP Logged 
tritone wrote:
Is latin truly a "romance" language?

To summarise JW's post: no.

Latin is an Italic* language. The Romance languages are a sub-family of the Italic languages, and Latin is not part of that particular subfamily.

I voted not important at all. If it had been "useful", I might have voted slightly useful, but even then, it'll steal time from your real target languages.

*Sorry, couldn't help it.
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Lingua
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 Message 24 of 36
25 September 2009 at 12:45pm | IP Logged 
tritone wrote:

I would go further, and say that learning a romance language provides far more advantages towards learning another romance language, than learning latin would.


This is absolutely right.


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