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| Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4474 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto | Message 25 of 79 23 December 2012 at 5:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think I have pretty low standards of what "good enough" is for me and like you, my goals really depend on the language.
For English, I am at C1 or C2 and it is good enough both at home and in the workplace in the bilingual environment of Montreal - I don't think it would be good enough for me in an English-speaking country. Every now and then I think that I should work on it until I reach near-native fluency but it is not a thought I have ever acted on. In Spanish, I would like to reach a B2 level, especially if I get to travel in South America or in the Caribbeans as I want to. This is also the level I would like to reach in Esperanto. I would reevaluate upon reaching that level to see if I want to get to level C1 in any or both of them. As for Portuguese or other languages, I would just dabble in the language before visiting a country where they are spoken so I would probably be satisfied at level A2. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7159 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 26 of 79 23 December 2012 at 6:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I more or less answered this question in a thread started by the very same Solfrid Cristin...
It depends on the language for me as it does for you, tante Cristina :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| stout Senior Member Ireland Joined 5374 days ago 108 posts - 140 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 27 of 79 24 December 2012 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I am currently at level B1(intermediate) of French which is passable and workable.
I want to increase my level of French to a solid B2(upper intermediate) by the autumn of 2016. If I had the money it would be nice if I could return to live in France for around eight months.Alternatively I could live in French-speaking Belgium for about 1 year. That depends if the world economy starts to recover in the next few years. Edited by stout on 24 December 2012 at 4:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 28 of 79 24 December 2012 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
How much time a day do you have for language learning? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5869 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish | Message 29 of 79 24 December 2012 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, I don't need to be C2 to be satisfied because I am realistic in believing I will never achieve C2. I'll be satisfied with a comfortable conversational ability and a very good reading ability. Further satisfaction will be derived from continuing progress. For many who simply enjoy "learning" a second language, the learning itself is the satisfaction. Another way to assess if you are where you want or need to be in your L2 ability is to use an expression that is often used in contracting: "Fit for purpose" Is your L2 language ability fit for the purpose you need or want to use it for? If so, you probably will be satisfied. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5103 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German | Message 30 of 79 25 December 2012 at 4:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't even know what my language proficiency is, but I wished that I did.
My goal for French is to reach the point in which native speakers don't have to dumb down their French or ask me to repeat or rephrase for comprehension. After that, I'll add on an F2. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ennime Tetraglot Senior Member South Africa universityofbrokengl Joined 5907 days ago 397 posts - 507 votes Speaks: English, Dutch*, Esperanto, Afrikaans Studies: Xhosa, French, Korean, Portuguese, Zulu | Message 31 of 79 26 December 2012 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Personally I think what HTAL describes as "basic fluency" (I guess CEFR B area) is good enough for me, except in those languages that I need for work (basically English, and hopefully French at some point) where I strive for C1/2 "legendary" status. Though I think getting my French out of the B area of intermediacy is close to a christmas miracle...
Usually I'm happy when I get to B1, which is pretty much the hardest transition for me... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ljones29 Triglot Newbie United States Joined 4800 days ago 35 posts - 59 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Arabic (Written), Greek | Message 32 of 79 26 December 2012 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well, as of right now, I'm at a low B1 in Spanish. I'd like to get to a comfortable B2.
My primary reason for learning is personal enjoyment. That being said, I'd like to get to the point where my Spanish is useful enough to help someone, particularly on the job, since they've already asked me if I can do that! I'd like for it to be a solid B2. Plus the language is so beautiful, I can't stop with just B1! I need more, because I love Spanish literature and Spanish music and I want to be able to engage deeply with the language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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