bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6167 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese
| Message 57 of 96 10 March 2011 at 4:45pm | IP Logged |
Merv wrote:
I've watched some Croatian clips in the past and - is it just me? - it seems that they mess up noun cases more often
than Serbians or Bosnians. I've also seen less of a distinction made between č and ć in Croatian speech than in
Serbian speech, but perhaps that's not the case after all. |
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don't know, never noticed this. I've once heard a tram driver announcing something with a messed up case, to which the whole tram responded in shock and disbelief. Ocassionally some dialects seem to exhibit this.
True, Croatians don't seem to do an apparent distinction between č and ć, most of them (Istrian speech however emphasizes this differences very strongly), but nonetheless, this "one č" is still quite soft.
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Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5371 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin
| Message 58 of 96 10 March 2011 at 8:33pm | IP Logged |
Merv wrote:
Also notice that Maks's sentence has "nemam rezervni točak," whereas I
would think it should be in the genitive:
"nemam rezervnog točka" |
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not really, that sounds odd to me. it is accusative, koga? sta? nemam, not genitive, same
like in your example "nemam rezervnu gumu", not "nemam rezervne gume". If, however, the
sentence is impersonal, then genitive sounds more correct: "U kolima nema rezervnog
tocka.", "U kolima nema rezervne gume."
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Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5371 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin
| Message 59 of 96 10 March 2011 at 8:36pm | IP Logged |
Fazla wrote:
For anybody interested it's like saying "girl" is Serbian and "fiancee" Croatian |
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I'd say an even closer analogy is a distinction between: "my girl" and "my girlfriend.".
The point is both words are present in both languages.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5304 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 60 of 96 18 January 2012 at 8:42pm | IP Logged |
I have a phonetics question -- In Bosnian, is the h pronounced like the Russian x or like the German ch in Bach? Or does it depending on surrounding vowels?
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4979 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: Russian*
| Message 61 of 96 18 January 2012 at 8:49pm | IP Logged |
It is probably lighter than Russian x. Is German ch an uvular sound? Then certainly it is
not like the German sound.
Edited by Марк on 18 January 2012 at 8:53pm
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rajkooo Newbie Australia Joined 4618 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes
| Message 62 of 96 19 January 2012 at 4:37am | IP Logged |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9gvFe5ZZDw
Can anyone please give me some feedbacks about my spoken BSC (Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian) and Macedonian?
Hvala puno / Blagodaram mnogo !
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Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5196 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French
| Message 63 of 96 19 January 2012 at 9:24am | IP Logged |
Aineko wrote:
Merv wrote:
Also notice that Maks's sentence has "nemam rezervni točak," whereas I
would think it should be in the genitive:
"nemam rezervnog točka" |
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not really, that sounds odd to me. it is accusative, koga? sta? nemam, not genitive, same
like in your example "nemam rezervnu gumu", not "nemam rezervne gume". If, however, the
sentence is impersonal, then genitive sounds more correct: "U kolima nema rezervnog
tocka.", "U kolima nema rezervne gume." |
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I believe that in both personal and impersonal negations (existence statements or possession statements) the
genitive is used. For affirmative existence statements the genitive is also used, but for affirmative possession
statements the accusative is used.
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Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5196 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French
| Message 64 of 96 19 January 2012 at 9:27am | IP Logged |
rajkooo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9gvFe5ZZDw
Can anyone please give me some feedbacks about my spoken BSC (Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian) and Macedonian?
Hvala puno / Blagodaram mnogo ! |
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Your Serbian is good, I don't know what your native language is (English or Chinese) but your accent is better than
the average Westerner's by a long shot, maybe it's the knowledge of tones. There are a few grammatical errors, but
you'll improve.
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