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| trickypig Newbie United States Joined 5598 days ago 12 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Dutch, French | Message 33 of 69 23 February 2010 at 6:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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Question about MSA/colloquials:
Does anyone speak in MSA? And likewise does anyone write in the colloquials? Like for example, do people from different countries revert to MSA when speaking to each other, or do they just work it out in one or both colloquials? For a local news source like Al-Ahram (www.ahram.org.eg) - is this written in MSA or in Egyptian Arabic? Sorry if this is obvious or has been discussed already, but I'm just starting to dabble with Arabic, and I'm having a hard time sorting out sources and figuring out where to begin... Thanks! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6768 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 34 of 69 23 February 2010 at 7:17am | IP Logged | |||||
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While pan-Arab media is normally done in MSA, I seem to recall that Mexican soap operas, hugely popular in much
of the Arab world, are dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, and for that reason, a lot of Arabs refer to the Egyptian dialect as "Mexican". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 35 of 69 23 February 2010 at 8:02am | IP Logged | |||||
Hmmm, I have never heard of Mexican soap opera dubbed into Egyptian. All the Mexican soap operas were and still dubbed into MSA, while Turkish ones into Syrian dialect. Now they started to dubb American movies into Syrian dialect and Hindi movies into Gulf dialect. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 36 of 69 23 February 2010 at 8:14am | IP Logged | |||||
Nobody speak MSA with other Arabs, but with foreigners we do. When i speak with a Morrocan man for example, he knows that i don't understand a word of his dialect so he speaks simple Arabic, something in between MSA and his dialect and mine so i would understand what he is talking about. Mostly, and this can be considered as a rule, Morrocans understand other Arabic dialects but the others don't understand Morrocan dialect, and so they are the ones who simplify their talk. In all media, news and programs, it's all spoken in MSA except of serials. As for writing in dialects, it can only happen in internet, in forums and stuff. All news sources whether in TV or internet are in MSA. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6768 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 37 of 69 23 February 2010 at 11:19am | IP Logged | |||||
Maybe I got it backwards, and it's the Egyptians who call MSA "Mexican" because of soaps in MSA. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Al-Irelandi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5535 days ago 111 posts - 177 votes Speaks: English* | Message 38 of 69 25 February 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
Just a few points yaa kinaan, 'MSA'\Fus-haa is spoken as a language within Islaamic studies discourse (and between the foreign students it is a common lingua-franca), to name some institutes: Madina Islaamic University, Umm ul-Qura, and so on. Also it is used in Islaamic 'duroos' and 'muHaadharaat' betweeen the teachers/asaatidha or 'Ulamaa and their 'tulaab'/students. Likewise, there are some Arabs (and non-Arabs) who do in fact communicate in 'MSA'/Fus-haa (and use arabized forms over 'dakheel' forms, e.g 'tilfaaz' over 'tilfazyoon' and 'masrif' over 'bank' wa ilaal-akheer). I have come across their likes. It may not be the majority of the people, but nonetheless, it is still spoken, which negates the point you made that it isn't. Edited by al-Irlandee on 25 February 2010 at 2:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kinan Diglot Senior Member Syrian Arab Republic Joined 5566 days ago 234 posts - 279 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, English Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 39 of 69 25 February 2010 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I didn't mean the schools and universities.
In school teachers spoke to us in MSA all the time, but i meant Arabs don't speak MSA with each other in regular meetings or when hanging out together. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aquablue Senior Member United States Joined 6382 days ago 150 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 40 of 69 25 February 2010 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Do educated arabs know how to speak MSA in general?
How long does it take to learn a dialect once one can speak MSA? A dialect like Egyptian or Gulf? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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