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<plus> and Other Semi-silent French Words | ||
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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4294 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 1 of 22 25 December 2013 at 4:48am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have always learnt <plus> in French as an exception that must be pronounced fully, as
in exactly how it is spelt instead of like <plu> in <plupart>, but I notice that some pronounce it as <plus> and some pronounce it as <plu>; which one is correct, or are both correct? And are there other phenonema in French wherein the words can be pronounced exactly as spelt as an exception? i.e. I learnt <tôt> as pronounced without the final <t>, but I am not sure if some regions pronounce it fully as spelt. I became confused because I always knew <plus> pronounced like <plus> as its only pronunciatiin, and this was probably eight years ago. Edited by 1e4e6 on 25 December 2013 at 4:50am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4669 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 2 of 22 25 December 2013 at 5:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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It varies according to the context / function of "plus" in the sentence. Here is a good explanation: link
It has nothing to do with regionalisms, as far as I know. As far as words that are "pronounced as spelt", or have final consonants that are pronounced that would "normally" be silent, there are plenty. Some have origins from scientific Latin (like "infarctus" and "rictus") or come from other languages (like "qat"). Then there are other "autochthonous French" words that don't come to mind at the moment... 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4682 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 3 of 22 25 December 2013 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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And since the "ne" part of the negation is dropped in colloquial speech, in online chat we often find ourselves having to indicate which "plus" we meant (except if context helps "je veux plus d'argent / je veux plus de problèmes") and ask things like "plu or plusse?".
If only we'd write using the IPA! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 4 of 22 25 December 2013 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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http://www.lepointdufle.net/ressources_fle/plus.htm#.UrruKtd FCRI
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4669 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 5 of 22 25 December 2013 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ooh, another good Latin-origin one is "consensus," which is doubly odd because the final "s" is pronounced and the "sen" syllable is pronounced like "sin" rather than "san."
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| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5816 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 6 of 22 25 December 2013 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, if only some people would write/speak properly using the negation the way it should be written/spoken. It would be less confusing for everybody, for learners and natives as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4682 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 7 of 22 25 December 2013 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you say so. And people should avoid using polysemic words as well, just for the sake of clarity. And use Simple English. 8 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4703 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 8 of 22 25 December 2013 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
Why don't you always write it like that then?
It would be much less confusing if written French was modernized so that it's not written as it was spoken several centuries ago. I never understood why some people think that the way they speak is wrong. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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