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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 41 of 54 12 March 2014 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Isnt the level of a person who you never have to correct C2? Or maybe even C2+? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4711 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 42 of 54 12 March 2014 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Indeed... I sometimes correct my brother's Dutch grammar, and he's a native speaker.
B2/C1 refer to something different. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7209 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 43 of 54 12 March 2014 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can understand your frustration if they are using idioms like, "I'm going to fix his little red wagon", which is totally inappropriate in a situation when they should say, "I ought to tan that kid's hide". Just kidding. I'm sure they are very proud of you and are quite pleased that you have picked up the local language better than they have. This thread just seemed like the perfect place to introduce those idioms. I'm against corporal punishment and hope no one here has ever had their "hide tanned". (I have). To give you perspective though, putting a parent down is something many children have regretted as they matured. I'm one of those kids. I've come to realize the things that have made me successful are things I learned by watching my parents. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 44 of 54 12 March 2014 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
Also, than -> then I just corrected you :D 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5395 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 45 of 54 12 March 2014 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The relationship between immigrant parents and children can have a skewed power dynamic
due to the children often integrating and learning the language better than their parents. Sometimes this creates resentment or embarrassment on the part of the child as they grow up. While training with the organization I volunteer with to teach English to refugees, they told us to be mindful of how we interact with adult students in front of their children for just this reason: talk directly to them rather than through the kids as much as possible, praise their progress, show them respect, etc. Everyone always needs to keep in mind that an adult immigrant's main worry is survival while a child immigrant's main worry is fitting in. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 46 of 54 12 March 2014 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
OK, now this sentence is bugging me linguistically. It "sounds" wrong. IMHO, the proper way to say this would have been: "If I didn't have had to correct them occasionally, then I would have thought C1 otherwise." Or maybe "If I not have had to correct them occasionally, then I would have thought C1 otherwise." Can some English expert clarify this? Edited by Gemuse on 12 March 2014 at 6:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4711 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 47 of 54 12 March 2014 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think the sentence doesn't flow as a whole...
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| Fuenf_Katzen Diglot Senior Member United States notjustajd.wordpress Joined 4373 days ago 337 posts - 476 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans | Message 48 of 54 12 March 2014 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
Not an expert by any means, but I would have said it like this: "If I didn't have to correct them occasionally, I would think they're C1." Or, more realistically, it would have been: "I would think they're C1 if I didn't need to correct them occasionally." I have no idea why I would prefer to reverse those two statements, but I think either would be fine. I think the original works for colloquial speech though. For your examples, I can't think of an occasion where I would use "didn't have had" or "not have had," but I could be wrong! I suppose you could say: "If I hadn't needed to correct them occasionally, I would have thought C1." Whew, that wasn't very easy! I hope it was somewhat helpful though. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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