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luke
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Message 49 of 61

20 June 2014 at 1:38am | IP Logged

There is of course photoreading and it's application in language learning.

I'm not saying it doesn't work. I need to try it :) There is a story out there about a female who photoread a French dictionary in the evenings along with her normal course work and her results were impressive.

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Needing to learn French, a businesswoman PhotoRead the English/French dictionary repeatedly for two weeks before attending French classes at the Berlitz school in Brussels. Each night after class, she PhotoRead the course manuals and the dictionary. Within three days, she had advanced to the second book. School administrators told her she was performing two and a half times better than their previous best student.

Edited by luke on 20 June 2014 at 1:55am
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Message 50 of 61

20 June 2014 at 11:25am | IP Logged

Lugubert wrote:

For current ridiculous methods, I think I'm addicted to the diffusion method. It's a bit like Tanya B's "Sleep with TL dictionary under your pillow." So I'm buying lots and lots of for example Chinese readers, dictionaries and grammars etc., and probably hope that the sheer volume will make the contents transfer to and get absorbed into my brain.

I just realized I managed to accumulate eight German dictionaries in the last two years. I only use one regularly, and one occasionally. But I am sure the other's help. :)
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PianoFish
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Message 51 of 61

30 June 2014 at 10:32pm | IP Logged

Draw a picture of every vocabulary word you learn. The teacher writes down a list of 50 words on the board, you write them all down in class and then for homework draw 50 pictures to go along with them.

Make up a dance to do while conjugating TL verbs.

(Both are examples from my high school, the first Spanish and the second Latin. My Spanish teacher did actually have some sensible and effective methods, but this was not one of them. I had 6 language teachers through high school and I'm quite sure all of them were mad.)
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Message 52 of 61

30 June 2014 at 11:13pm | IP Logged

luke wrote:

There is of course photoreading and it's
application in ubb=showflat&Number=32239">language learning.

I'm not saying it doesn't work. I need to try it :) There is a story out there about a female who
photoread a French dictionary in the evenings along with her normal course work and her results
were impressive.

Quote:

Needing to learn French, a businesswoman PhotoRead the English/French dictionary
repeatedly for two weeks before attending French classes at the Berlitz school in Brussels. Each night
after class, she PhotoRead the course manuals and the dictionary. Within three days, she had
advanced to the second book. School administrators told her she was performing two and a half
times better than their previous best student.

That's an impressive story. A fictional story, but they do know how to write marketing copy.

Photoreading was debunked by a NASA study.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2000001 1599.pdf

"These results clearly indicate that there is no benefit to using the PhotoReading technique." They
found that the relaxation exercise and positive self-talk gave "photoreaders" over self-confidence and
a false sense of understanding the text.

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luke
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Message 53 of 61

01 July 2014 at 12:40am | IP Logged

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2000001 1599.pdf

Thanks for the link.
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slucido
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Message 54 of 61

01 July 2014 at 12:31pm | IP Logged

Check this article: New study may revolutionize language learning

http://phys.org/news152292870.html

Dr Sulzberger wrote:

"However crazy it might sound, just listening to the language,
even though you don't understand it, is critical. A lot of language teachers may not
accept that," he says.

"Our ability to learn new words is directly related to how often we have been exposed
to the particular combinations of the sounds which make up the words. If you want to
learn Spanish, for example, frequently listening to a Spanish language radio station on
the internet will dramatically boost your ability to pick up the language and learn new
words."

I wrote a lot of scientific references about subliminal, passive and implicit
learning in this old thread.

TID=9510&PN=1">http://how-
to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9510&PN= 1

Edited by slucido on 01 July 2014 at 1:06pm
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Message 55 of 61

01 July 2014 at 1:06pm | IP Logged

I noticed that the socalled photo reading method includes a phase which looks more like standard speed reading. It is a fair guess that any comprehension at all of texts 'read' by photo reading is due to that phase, and that the central and unique gazing phase is a 100% pure and undiluted waste of time. But part of the training consists in training yourself to be positive about your general understanding coupled with an almost complete lack of real knowledge about the content of the text you have read, and therefore the the users walk around blissfully lying to themselves about the effects of their method until somebody actually tests them.

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Doitsujin
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Message 56 of 61

01 July 2014 at 5:13pm | IP Logged

slucido wrote:

I wrote a lot of scientific references about subliminal, passive and implicit
learning in this old thread.

As interesting as these articles are, I've yet to see a peer-reviewed scientific study about a revolutionary new language learning method whose results were reproduced by other scientists working in the field.

Edited by Doitsujin on 01 July 2014 at 5:14pm

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